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blackfootblood
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 Posted - June 08 2007 : 3:25:48 PM
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| Thanks for posting the information on Joumonville's Glenn. I found a link for it on the page you posted. It's funny, all the times I've been to Ft. Nec. and never really knew about this event. I might have but probably forgot thru the years. |
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Monadnock Guide
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Posted - June 08 2007 : 3:58:00 PM
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| Thanks for clearing things up Fitz, - that makes a lot more sense. ;) |
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Light of the Moon
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Posted - June 08 2007 : 11:28:57 PM
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Sure it did... |
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Kyfrontiersman
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Posted - June 17 2007 : 5:20:46 PM
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Wow, now you've touched a nerve of something I feel strongly about, studying one's past. My Maternal Family (Phelps) and Nancy's Paternal Family (Mills) came to this Country together in 1630 on the 'Mary & John'. In our research we've managed to find some very valuable information, such as Last Wills & Inventories, to guide us further along in our research. My family settled in Albemarle Co., Va., & Nancy's family founded Simsbury, Conn., and Windsor. Here's a bit of great info we found:
"The Pilgrim Simon Mills I (1612-1661) was born in England. Married Sara Bissell (1619-1637).
Simon & Sara came from Yorkshire, England in 1630 together on the same ship, "Mary & John".
Five years later they were married and were the founders of Windsor, Connecticut.
NOTE: The above information concerning the next 7 generations of the Mills family was secured from Ethel Mills Parker, Wooster, Ohio, and was given to her by Joseph Meyer, Jr., Wadsworth, Ohio, who obtained it from Mrs. E.H. Haeger, Canterfield, Dundee, Illinois.
NOTE: The following information was found in "The History of the Simon Mills Family,". Vera Elizabeth Mills (Mrs. Edmund Haegar) wrote: "Twelve Generations Descended from Pilgrim
Simon Mills I from Yorkshire, England in 1630."
On March 20, 1630, "The Mary and John" set sail from old Plymouth, England bound for New Plymouth,
Massachusetts. According to records, a successfull passage was made in ten weeks, and the "Mary and
John" arrived at new Plymouth May 30, 1630. Aboard the ship was our 18 year old Simon Mills I, the
progenitor of all our Mills relations in America. Along with Simon and his older brother, John, was a
band of very Godly and Religious people, led by the Reverand John Warham. The Captain of the ship was named Thomas Sqibb.
John died at sea of lung fever (pneumonia), and was buried at sea. There is no known actual list of the
ship's passengers sailing with Simon, but there is certain documentation that points to several of our
ancestors traveling on the "Mary and John" along with Simon. There is a record of 140 passengers who
were believed to be in the ship. There were very likely several, maybe ten to twenty individuals whose
names were not given. Simon was assumed to be on this ship that arrived at Nantasket Bay on May 30,
1630.
The following list names of people believed to have accompanied Simon on the ship and lived for a time at the Dorchester Plantation in Massachusetts.
EARLY ANCESTORS ABOARD THE "MARY AND JOHN''
Sara Bissell (1619 -1637) and her father, John Bissell (1590-1673)
William Buell (1610-1684), who was to become the father of Mary Buell, wife of Simon
Mills II. William was called "The Joiner" which was a loving name given him
to honor his trade as a cabinet maker. There were probably not too many of any
TRADESMEN in the very limited population of 17th century Connecticut.
Begat Eggleston (1580-1674) was to become grandfather to Sara Pettibone, who married
John Mills, son of Simon II.
In 1635, the Mills Clan moved to Windsor, Connecticut and our Connecticut roots were planted.
It can be said that our Mills line started with a family in Devonshire, England, sailed to New England
around 1630. The Bubonic Plague (Black Death) was rampant in all of England from 1348 to 1650 and
did not evade Devon and Barnstaple localities. Perhaps this fact alone may have lead to a "flight for life" of people wishing to protect their family from the scourge of the Black Death. Crowded towns like
Barnstaple may have suffered more than their counterparts living in the countryside. It is reported people were dying by the cartload, and Barnstaple was more susceptible, being a port city. It could have
been for a combination of reasons; the Plague had to be amongst the factors considered. Rel |
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Posted - June 17 2007 : 11:05:02 PM
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i recall back in the early 90's when i was rather young and new to FandI reenacting, my ranger group used to do a weekend camp at a church run campground, right next to jumonville. many times i would wake up at first light and get kitted-up, and hike alone into the glen. being there alone, in the early morning dawn, that is about as close as i have come to conversing with a higher power.
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Fitzhugh Williams
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Posted - June 17 2007 : 11:23:43 PM
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| That would be the Methodist camp, I guess. I was there last August, and coming back up the trail alone was quite an experience. Someone at Oswego told me to go there alone, and now I understand why. |
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Light of the Moon
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Posted - June 18 2007 : 11:13:03 AM
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| That is so neat, KFM. What a history to carry! Wear it proud! |
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blackfootblood
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Posted - June 18 2007 : 11:58:04 AM
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| Ditto, Light! It's unusual for families to even trace their roots back to their great grandparents let alone back several generations to their homeland. Never forget where you came from! |
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Fitzhugh Williams
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Posted - July 04 2007 : 1:08:32 PM
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On this day in 1754, Captain James MacKay and Col. George Washington surrender Fort Necessity to Sieur Louis Coulon de Villiers ending Virginia Governor Dinwiddie's attempt to seize land rightfully belonging to His Christian Majesty Louis XV.
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Light of the Moon
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Posted - July 06 2007 : 11:37:25 PM
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Cool tidbit! |
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lonewolf
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Posted - July 13 2007 : 02:26:45 AM
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After Washington gives Van Bramm the proverbial "dry shaft", James turns to Washington and says: "Even though we Virginians promised not to come back to western Pennsylvania again, I know this guy named Gen. Braddock who wants to make a name for himself, and he needs a job".
"I know George, he's old and he can be an arrogant pain-in-the-ass at times, but he can round up some unemployed redcoats off of the streets and out of the brothels of London, as well as some of the drunks out of the local taverns in Williamsburg, and we will have us an army to take those Frenchies at Fort Dusquense in about an hour, right after we cross the Monongahela River"!
To which Washington replies: "Sounds good James, as soon as we get back to Williamsburg, we will go forward with the plan"! "We'll convince the taxpayers in Willimsburg to fund this thing, and if they don't we can hire some of the local Indians to run through the streets of Williamsburg whooping and hollering and scaring the living shit out of the townspeople". "We'll say that the French put them up to it"! "Back me up on that"! "That should get us the funding"! "And if I ever make that "President" thing that you mentioned, I will already be a big hero for taking the French fort at the Three Rivers"! "You and I will take all the credit, and we'll make Braddock look bad"! "We can say that he got drunk during the battle and fell off of his horse or something"! "We will discredit him somehow"! "No problem"! "We'll think of something"! "No, I didn't hear you say that you might have to shoot him off of his horse, James"!
"Damn, I love it"! "I'm just like that crazy bastard, Patton, James"! "Do you remember who he was"? "I've heard of him from somewhere"! "I just can't place him; can't put the name with his face"!
"Anyway, let's git 'er done, James"! "By the way, who in hell is Larry the Cable Guy"? "Is he one of our oxen muckers, or wagon drivers, or what"? "Is he that dumbass who is trying to winch the wagons up the hills with that cable all by himself"? "The one with the rope burns all over his hands"? "What a loser"! "I know, James, all we can get is elementary school dropouts"!
"And don't worry about those stupid savage Indians, James"! "What in hell do they know about civilized military tactics, anyway"!
"I really like the plan"! "I think that we can get it together by next summer"!
"James, you're a genius"! |
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Wilderness Woman
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Posted - July 13 2007 : 09:43:31 AM
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| I'm sorry. I do not find this at all funny. In fact, I find it offensive. |
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lonewolf
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Posted - March 16 2008 : 8:19:25 PM
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Hi guys,
A few years ago,I read somewhere and I don't remember where, that Washington had a slave "son" who had a last name of "Ford" and he was the only slave or "person of color" to receive property from George Washington after Washington's death.
If this was really washington's son, then that explains why he alone, was witten into Washington's will, if there was such a will! |
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lonewolf
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Posted - March 16 2008 : 9:18:06 PM
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Hi Wilderness Woman,
Sorry that you found my wry sense of humor to be "offensive".
I was making light of a very inexperienced George Washington. Do you not possess a sense of humor? If you have ever spent any time at all around we Native Americans, you would know that we love humor, be it wry, bawdy or otherwise! We love to play jokes on those who take life a bit too seriously!
Lighten-up and smile!
Washington is one of my family relatives. Can I not make light of a family member without offending those who are not my relatives?
What my Shawnee people found to be really "offensive" back there during Washington's time, is that these white English colonials from Williamsburg, Virginia decided that they had "the right" to steal our Native American homelands in western Pennsylvania and in eastern Ohio, under a the auspices of a "Williamsburg-Ohio Company" formed by Thomas Lee (also a white ancestor of mine) in 1748 for the sole purpose of taking our land from us!
And should I find it "offensive" that the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania will not "recognize" any of it's Native American people! Where is our reservation land in Pennsylvania? There is none! This Commonwealth was founded by William Penn (Brother Onas to we Native Americans) who treated us as equals!
What happened after he went back to England is sordid history to my Native American people.
By the way, all Native Americans in America are aware that Pennsylvania is a state that is "hostile" toward it's Native American people! Maybe I should find this attitude to be "offensive"?
At our annual Lenni-Lenape(Original People)pow-wows near Saltsburg, Pa. every August, a representative from the state gov't. in Harrisburg will sometimes show up and tell us how much Pennsylvania "loves" their Indian people, while at the same time, this representative is standing on land that was stolen from us, and that we are having to purchase back just to hold our pow-wows and ceremonies on.
It is all that the Indians at these pow-wows can do to keep from laughing out loud and "splitting a gut" at these stupid pronouncments on the part of these representatives from Harrisburg! Do they not know the past history of Pennsylvania's horrible dealings with us?
Maybe it is I who should be "offended" by this "sick joke", but I can laugh about this ignorance on the part of these state representatives!
I honestly think that they really do mean well, and I always manage to keep a "straight face" while they tell us how much that the Commonwealth "loves" us, it's just hillarious that they are so unbelievably "history challenged"!
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Wilderness Woman
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Posted - March 17 2008 : 08:52:56 AM
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Well hello, Lonewolf;
I see that you have come out of the woods long enough to make your semi-annual drive-by posting.
I actually find it rather amusing that you have the gall to accuse me of having no sense of humor.  Over the course of the past 5-1/2 years, I have had a wonderful time joking with a number of people here in Mohicanland, and I consider a number of them to be very, very funny. I am so sorry that I cannot consider you to be one of them.
As for your claim that you were just poking a bit of fun at an "inexperienced George Washington", I do not believe it for one minute. All one needs to do is to look at nearly every post you have made on these boards, in which you repeatedly attack George Washington, his Virginians, and various and sundry white people in general. Now, it seems, you have added all Pennsylvanians to that list. I don't consider this to be humorous at all.
If you should care to take the time to read through my hundreds and hundreds of posts on these boards, you will not fine one single instance in which I have verbally attacked a single Indian, nor any tribe or group of Indians, either from the past or in the present. Not once! In fact, I have repeatedly expressed my displeasure and regret for the way they have been treated for the past 400 years on this continent. I am offended at the implication that I do not care.
I would like to say one more thing. You continually come on here and "provide" us all with your genealogical history. In fact, I have been forced to read it so many times that I am sick of it, as are several others here.
I am also a genealogist. I have traced my family lines back several centuries. There is a family legend in one of my lines which states that my 6th great-grandfather in the Mohawk Valley married a daughter of King Hendrick. If that were true, I would absolutely love it! That would be awesome. But I have no proof. Therefore, I do not lay claim to him.
Because I am a genealogist, I know that it is virtually impossible to prove family lineage in Indian tribes any farther back than the late 19th century. There were no written records before then. Therefore, I can't help but wonder just how much of your Indian genealogy is real and how much is wished-for. I think you really need to face the fact that you are a white man who wants to be an Indian.
Seamus? Got my back?
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Bookworm
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Posted - March 19 2008 : 07:39:29 AM
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| I do, WW, although I'm a weak substitute for so experienced and wily a woodsman as Seamus. Don't worry, he'll be around. In the meantime -- I agree with you, long, rambling, repetitious posts, whether angry rants or lame attempts at humor, add nothing to the Mohicanland experience, and only serve to convince readers that they should ignore anything the poster in question says. One who writes such posts may like to think of himself as incendiary, provocative, iconoclastic, whatever, but in fact he's just BORING. |
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Seamus
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Posted - March 19 2008 : 11:25:02 AM
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| Been trailing you, WW. You're covered..... |
Life's journey is not to
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in a well preserved body,
but rather to skid in sideways,
totally worn out, shouting
'...holy sh*t ...what a ride!'
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Seamus
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Wilderness Woman
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Posted - March 19 2008 : 1:15:31 PM
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Thanks to the both of you. I thought I heard a couple of clicks behind me as hammers were pulled back to full cock.
I appreciate your support and agreement very much. Thanks, also, to the person who PMed their support. (You know who you are!)
Will it stop him? We shall see.
And another PM, and an email! Thanks to both of you, as well. |
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Seamus
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Posted - March 24 2008 : 07:39:16 AM
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As Moderator, at times I must make judgements with which some may not agree. Some may call it censorship. So be it. This is a Community Board, and at times, as in the communities in which we live, decisions must be made for the good of an entire community. I have done just that. I have removed a Post from this Board which was little more than a personal attack upon a Community member, and will continue to do so if it is continued. I will also request from the Sachem that this Community member shooting flaming arrows at another be banned should it occur again. The warning notice is now nailed to the tree.
Discourse and disagreement can be cordial and respectful. In this case, it was not, nor will it tolerated. The writer has said, "So long," but I doubt it. So if you are reading this, writer, take heed. We do not enjoy banning, but there is a precedent or two, and it will be employed if necessary.
I am here to "cover your back,"....all of you here in our Community--Mohicanland. You may not like what I do at times, nor agree with it, but as long as I am a Moderator, your "civility cop," if you will, c'est le guerre, c'est le vie.
Now...I am stepping back into the woods, charged and primed, and taking up my position behind that big tree over there.
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Life's journey is not to
arrive at the grave safely
in a well preserved body,
but rather to skid in sideways,
totally worn out, shouting
'...holy sh*t ...what a ride!'
~~Mavis Leyrer, Seattle
Seamus
~~Aim small, hit the b*****d right between the eyes!~~ |
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Fitzhugh Williams
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Posted - March 24 2008 : 08:11:11 AM
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| Mon Dieu! A Pennsylvanian with a gun "covering your back" is a scary thing! I think something like this happened near Fort Necessity, which after all, is the topic of the tread. |
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Seamus
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Posted - March 24 2008 : 08:29:23 AM
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| Sacre bleu! No Pennsylvanians at Necessity, Fitz, only Virginians and Carolinians...and one Dutchman. Maybe therein lies the problem. Happened at Kittanning, though, remember?!! And Loyalhanna....then the Frogs decided it might be better to go back to New France and try their hand in NY and New England...with mixed success. |
Life's journey is not to
arrive at the grave safely
in a well preserved body,
but rather to skid in sideways,
totally worn out, shouting
'...holy sh*t ...what a ride!'
~~Mavis Leyrer, Seattle
Seamus
~~Aim small, hit the b*****d right between the eyes!~~ |
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Wilderness Woman
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Posted - March 24 2008 : 08:55:30 AM
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Well Fitz, I am very glad to have that Pennsylvanian holding that loaded musket! I trust Seamus behind my back (and Bookworm, too) any day of the week, for any purpose. Thank you, Seamus.
And now, by all means, let this be the end of this skirmish, and let us return to the much more interesting topic of Fort Necessity. |
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Fitzhugh Williams
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Posted - March 24 2008 : 09:54:25 AM
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quote:
Originally posted by Seamus
Sacre bleu! No Pennsylvanians at Necessity, Fitz, only Virginians and Carolinians...and one Dutchman. Maybe therein lies the problem. Happened at Kittanning, though, remember?!! And Loyalhanna....then the Frogs decided it might be better to go back to New France and try their hand in NY and New England...with mixed success.
You mean that out of those 293 men, not a single one was from PA? Nobody drifted south in search of that free land Dinwiddie was giving away (not his of course, but belonging to the King of France)? Well, Fort Necessity was at least IN Pennsylvania.
http://www.nps.gov/archive/fone/rostercmb.htm |
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Seamus
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Posted - March 24 2008 : 12:02:42 PM
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| Dats right...on both counts! |
Life's journey is not to
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in a well preserved body,
but rather to skid in sideways,
totally worn out, shouting
'...holy sh*t ...what a ride!'
~~Mavis Leyrer, Seattle
Seamus
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Seamus
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Posted - March 24 2008 : 12:06:28 PM
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| WW----it's a rifle....more range and better accuracy. With or without slik...(Oh, no...not THAT again!! Why did I say that????? I find 10 oz. cotton duck better patching, anyway! White, washed to remove sizing and lubed with bear grease/beeswax combo.) |
Life's journey is not to
arrive at the grave safely
in a well preserved body,
but rather to skid in sideways,
totally worn out, shouting
'...holy sh*t ...what a ride!'
~~Mavis Leyrer, Seattle
Seamus
~~Aim small, hit the b*****d right between the eyes!~~ |
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