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zinvor
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 Posted - June 24 2006 : 07:35:18 AM
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I have never read the book but I have to wonder why he did not make his movie true to the book. Would it not have been as exciting? I guess there was some kind of romance going on in the book or at least a hint of love. Guess he did not want to pair an Indian Uncas with a white woman Cora but just hinted at the Uncas/Alice thing. Cora seemed better paired up with Nathaniel.
well in my opinion there was very little romance in the book: nothing really happened between Uncas and Cora. He just looked at her all the time and didn't want to jump through the fall and leave her. No more talking between them, almost like between Uncas and Alice in the movie. But i guess it was just background in the book, it wasn't enough for the film to impress us.
I guess if MM wanted to show love tested by fate and to keep a "couple" alive the best way was Hawkeye/Cora love story. i agree with you Irishgirl that he didn't want to pair Indian with white woman. He even had to kill her father to avoid any questions about Cora getting married to "wild" - though white - man. |
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Posted - June 24 2006 : 07:44:20 AM
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I am really quite glad that Mann did take out the supposed "love scene" between Uncas and Alice under the waterfall. I think it would have been highly inappropriate to the story. How much better it is this way, with Uncas's unrequited love becoming quite literally the death of him.
Absolutely. I like this way much more. I guess that was the point. He didn't have to save her, he didn't know whether she even liked him or knew he liked her. It was a honorable and sudden longing. He was young (under 20 i guess) and must have been in love. I think it is seen by the way he looks at her on the cliffs. |
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Posted - June 25 2006 : 8:20:05 PM
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I am really quite glad that Mann did take out the supposed "love scene" between Uncas and Alice under the waterfall. I think it would have been highly inappropriate to the story. How much better it is this way, with Uncas's unrequited love becoming quite literally the death of him.
Absolutely. I like this way much more. I guess that was the point. He didn't have to save her, he didn't know whether she even liked him or knew he liked her. It was a honorable and sudden longing. He was young (under 20 i guess) and must have been in love. I think it is seen by the way he looks at her on the cliffs.
I agree in a way. Leaving the love scene out created quite interesting effect, making their relationship subtle (maybe even too subtle) and compelling us to use our imagination.
Also, after reading the script I found it confusing as to why they suddenly enter such intimacy, with the lack of dialog between them and all. Accordnig to the script it happened because Alice was frightened and her will to live pushed her into this somehow: "Then her mouth seeks his and in the passion of despair and fear and wanting life, she holds him between her thighs. And Uncas is confused, but Alice whispers his name and he responds." Afterwards she is ashamed..I must admit I find it difficult to understand..
But that is also why I would like to see this scene and how they acted it out. Maybe then it would become clearer. There is also another, more personal reason.. That is - I want to see more of Uncas and it would be interesting to see him doing something other than running and fighting..   |
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Posted - June 26 2006 : 05:22:16 AM
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But that is also why I would like to see this scene and how they acted it out. Maybe then it would become clearer. There is also another, more personal reason.. That is - I want to see more of Uncas and it would be interesting to see him doing something other than running and fighting..
I think many of us would prefer to see more of Uncas, including me of course.
What I didn't like about this scene in the script was Alice's reaction. I don't believe a girl like Alice in the 18th century would actually kiss an unknown man and especially hold him between her thighs, even out of fear and despair.
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Posted - June 26 2006 : 10:06:32 PM
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| Perhaps she was thinking of her future with Magua and that was perhaps her only chance of really "loving" someone as gentle as Uncas, knowing from then on things would not be "gentle"? |
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Posted - June 27 2006 : 06:51:00 AM
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| This has kinda gotten "off topic" - predictably. The original post was about erasing the Uncas/Alice thing, never to be seen again. Not a bad thought ... ;) |
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Posted - June 28 2006 : 05:36:46 AM
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Perhaps she was thinking of her future with Magua and that was perhaps her only chance of really "loving" someone as gentle as Uncas, knowing from then on things would not be "gentle"?
Maybe she was. but in my opinion she was so scared and shocked she could hardly have such a thought. Actually I don't believe she could have this "bad thought" at all... |
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Posted - June 28 2006 : 5:55:40 PM
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Perhaps she was thinking of her future with Magua and that was perhaps her only chance of really "loving" someone as gentle as Uncas, knowing from then on things would not be "gentle"?
I haven't thought about it myself but it seems a very insightful idea and a realistic explanation. It sounds quite human.. It would be more believeable if it was just a kiss maybe (although Indian did not kiss back the apparently..) but then our instincts and impulses can manifest themselves in different ways..
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Posted - July 06 2006 : 05:29:07 AM
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| Just to add my few cents worth ... I believe that Uncas was in love with Alice, but Im not convinced that she was in love with him. Throughout the whole film she comes across as fragile and afraid ... and yes, perhaps she might have viewed him as some form of protector, but there isnt enough to go on to say without a reasonable doubt that she loved him. The movie would probably have done as well had the secondary romantic subplot not taken place ... but hey, I enjoyed it too ... so speculate on!!! |
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Posted - August 04 2006 : 06:12:21 AM
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I went to visit my sister and showed her The movie, she's never seen it before. Of course i started asking her all about her impressions. She loved the movie too (plus one fan) and her opinion was that Alice did fancy Uncas.
Well i agree with Lady that she probably was so shocked and frightened that didnt even have the time to think it over. But still i, too, enjoyed this part of the story and i am sure it would be a great loss if that secondary romantic subplot hadn't taken place at all |
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Posted - August 04 2006 : 3:36:23 PM
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I am also inclined to believe that Alice was romantically interested in Uncas.. After all - who could resist him? Fancing a guy like him is the easiest and most natural thing a girl can do! I know, I know - she was in a fragile state and everything - I understand. My mind says "maybe she didn't love him after all" but my heart says "oooooh yes, she did!!".  |
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Posted - August 05 2006 : 2:08:22 PM
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I am also inclined to believe that Alice was romantically interested in Uncas.. After all - who could resist him? Fancing a guy like him is the easiest and most natural thing a girl can do! I know, I know - she was in a fragile state and everything - I understand. My mind says "maybe she didn't love him after all" but my heart says "oooooh yes, she did!!".
At least that's what WE would do if it happened to us |
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Posted - August 05 2006 : 2:53:30 PM
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| Yeah, that's what I meant, zinvor! Just CANNOT believe someone could get so close to Uncas and remain indifferent.. |
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Posted - August 06 2006 : 12:33:06 PM
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| Alice definitely had the "hots" for Uncas, what girl wouldn't but I doubt she was "in love" with him. Still it is all left up to the imagination of us, the viewers to make up our own minds. I am in "love and lust" with him if anyone cares to know. |
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Posted - August 07 2006 : 03:26:04 AM
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Alice definitely had the "hots" for Uncas, what girl wouldn't but I doubt she was "in love" with him. Still it is all left up to the imagination of us, the viewers to make up our own minds. I am in "love and lust" with him if anyone cares to know.
Bwahahaha! I think there are quite a few who would say the same :-) |
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Posted - August 07 2006 : 03:37:44 AM
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Alice definitely had the "hots" for Uncas, what girl wouldn't but I doubt she was "in love" with him. Still it is all left up to the imagination of us, the viewers to make up our own minds. I am in "love and lust" with him if anyone cares to know.
Bwahahaha! I think there are quite a few who would say the same :-)
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Posted - August 08 2006 : 01:33:53 AM
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| I can't remember the website where I read this, but there is an interview with Eric Schweig and he described the love scene that was filmed as "puppy love", just kissing and stuff. He said it WAS not a sex scene. And he thought that it should've been added in. Also an interview with Wes Studi is on the same site, and he says that there was a romance between Alice and Uncas. |
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| Er..... it sounds to me like the website you are describing is this very one. If you go to the home page of the website and scroll down, you will see a link that says "Cast Member Interviews." |
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Posted - August 09 2006 : 05:49:10 AM
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| So far my take on the Alice/Uncas storyline (after watching the movie a zillion times and reading everything on this site) I believe that Uncas truely loved Alice and would (obviously) give his life for her. I also believe that Alice cared for uncas, I'm not truely convinced that she was totally in Love with him though. But then again, they really didn't show much between them, maybe my opinion on that would be different if I had seen the love scene. But say they didn't die and he did save her, I don't believe that it would have worked b/c Alice was too "English". M. Stowe's interview described her as unwilling to change or accept the frontier life as Cora had. Just my opinion. I still love the story of these 2 and love Uncas PS I wish they were able to interview Jodhi May and get her input, maybe that would clear it up a little ... :) |
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Posted - August 10 2006 : 03:44:14 AM
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I, too, have no doubt Uncas loved Alice and it shows by the way he looks at her, hugs her under the falls and OF COURSE tried to save her. And i think she understood everything at the cliffs if not earlier. Probably she didn't really love him but i'm sure she at least appreciated his feelings. I agree she was unwilling to accept the frontier life as Cora had but if Uncas hadn't died and she hadn't jumped she probably had A LOT of things to think over. And who knows what she'd finally choose?
And i like the idea of interviewing Jodhi May, I'd like to know what her personal opinion of this matter is |
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i cant find out how to change my profile!
Hey, Nekutmeqwanoc I love your avatar!
What does your name mean anyway?
And what origin is it? |
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Hey DW, regarding the whole Alexandra and Alice concept...I'd like to know what are you drinking and where can I get it? |
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Posted - August 22 2006 : 01:32:08 AM
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| Seriously i think that Mr. mann should have elaborated more on the uncas/alice relationship... right now, i think that they are a bit shunned.. as in chucked to the side... then for the sake of the book mr mann suddenly kills off uncas and alice follows... if nathanial died and cora jumped off i would have understood... buit the uncas/alice relationship is super unexplained... i certainly want mr mann to include the deleted scenes of their romance... |
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Posted - August 22 2006 : 02:00:06 AM
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Forget about the movie... read the book it's better''
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Posted - August 22 2006 : 07:21:11 AM
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no... i think the movie is better. The movie is definietly better. its a whole lot more exciting and hair-raising than the book.  |
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