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Lurking Huron0585
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 Posted - October 13 2005 : 7:02:39 PM
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Because in the part that the hurons were going to burn out Cora, Nathaniel said "I´m la longe carabinee, my death it´s a great honor to you"
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Posted - October 14 2005 : 06:38:40 AM
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"I had misgivings that such would be his fate," resumed the
scout, in a less confident and joyous tone. But soon
regaining his naturally firm voice, he continued: "His bad
fortune is the true reason of my being here, for it would
never do to abandon such a boy to the Hurons. A rare time
the knaves would have of it, could they tie 'The Bounding
Elk' and 'The Long Carabine', as they call me, to the same
stake! Though why they have given me such a name I never
knew, there being as little likeness between the gifts of
'killdeer' and the performance of one of your real Canada
carabynes, as there is between the natur' of a pipe-stone
and a flint."
Natty had English and French nicknames. |
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Posted - October 17 2005 : 4:00:01 PM
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| To put it very simply, "La Longue Carabine" is French for "The Long Rifle." |
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Stryker16
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Posted - October 17 2005 : 4:28:21 PM
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| What I always found interesting is, Carbine or Carabine, means A light, "short" rifle. |
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Wilderness Woman
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Posted - October 17 2005 : 5:13:58 PM
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| Then perhaps that is why the word "Longue" was put in front of it, to show that Killdeer was somewhat longer than the usual carabine? |
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Stryker16
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Posted - October 18 2005 : 11:21:16 AM
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Then perhaps that is why the word "Longue" was put in front of it, to show that Killdeer was somewhat longer than the usual carabine?
That's a possibility. I believe the Huron would have called him something in their tongue, not French. Something like Shem'onese.
But Cooper was a romantic, so that's probably why it's in french.
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Posted - November 01 2005 : 4:43:45 PM
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| In those times most indian tribes were allied with either french or english. Hurons were allied and made lot of trade with french and so they mostly learned french language. So sometimes they give french names what overcome their native language, this case for their enemies. Hawkeye was "la longue carabine" uncas was "le cerf agile" wich is somerhing like "fast deer" and chingachgook was "le cros serpent" wich means "great snake". |
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Posted - January 31 2007 : 11:10:11 PM
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On the IMDB website there are plenty of off-color jokes about just what "La Longue Carabine" means. Far be it from me to import such implications here. I'm merely stating where more information can be found.  |
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Light of the Moon
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Posted - February 02 2007 : 1:43:22 PM
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Uncas was "le cerf agile" wich is somerhing like "fast deer" and chingachgook was "le cros serpent" wich means "great snake".
Actually his french name was "Le venado ágil", the nimble deer.
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Fitzhugh Williams
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Posted - February 02 2007 : 4:19:43 PM
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Actually his french name was "Le venado ágil", the nimble deer.
Only if he arrived by way of Puerto Rico. |
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Light of the Moon
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Posted - February 02 2007 : 10:04:22 PM
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No...that's actually formal french there my dear.
More like old english if you want a comparison.
Anyway...we all get the gist. Nimble deer, fast deer...
Wait a minute! I just thought of something! I'm a Deerslayer! If you'll excuse me I must go hunting now! |
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Posted - February 02 2007 : 11:21:22 PM
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| Well, Deerslayer, hope you're agile, venado, fast, nimble, or whatever adjective of your choice. I hear there are crowds after your particular quarry! |
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Light of the Moon
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Posted - February 03 2007 : 09:08:30 AM
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Damn! I just caught something after seeing your post Red. Venado Agil is spanish! How embarassing!
I've been finding myself doing that a lot lately. I've studied french but haven't used it in 8 maybe 9 years and now it's a bit rusty. However I have picked up a spanish class recently to build fluency and now Spanish is popping out when I'm thinking french and french pops out when I'm trying to speak spanish. I used the french word "contente" in class the other day; it made for some interesting looks. Oh well. One of those days, hell, one of those years so far! 
 Quarry? I don't get it.
It's a simple mix-up between spanish and english.
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Posted - February 03 2007 : 09:20:28 AM
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OOOOHHHH!
Quarry! I get it!  Uncas - DUH!
I told you it was one of those years! Hang on everybody, it's gonna be a long one, hope you can tolerate it!
Sheesh!
I had dark blond hair and acted like a brunette.
I dye my hair dark brown and now I act like a blond!
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Fitzhugh Williams
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Posted - February 03 2007 : 11:15:09 AM
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I was willing to conceed that "Le venado ágil" could possibly be Occitan, but who would have named him that? Somebody raised in Languedoc? Whatever. But Occitan is a great language if you continually confuse French and Spanish. Of course, nobody really speaks it anymore. Last summer, at Fort Ontario, early one morning I was walking back to the French Camp, and a sauvage calls out to me "Comment allez vous?" and I replied without thinking, "Très bien". Then I thought, Dang!!! I used Spanish! (Muy bien) It was only later that I realized that I actually got it right in the first place. Such is life. At least German is different enough where I don't confuse it.
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I was willing to conceed that "Le venado ágil" could possibly be Occitan, but who would have named him that? Somebody raised in Languedoc? Whatever. But Occitan is a great language if you continually confuse French and Spanish. Of course, nobody really speaks it anymore. Last summer, at Fort Ontario, early one morning I was walking back to the French Camp, and a sauvage calls out to me "Comment allez vous?" and I replied without thinking, "Très bien". Then I thought, Dang!!! I used Spanish! (Muy bien) It was only later that I realized that I actually got it right in the first place. Such is life. At least German is different enough where I don't confuse it.
You like Occtian? You will love this:
http://www.lunas.org/occitan/occitan_sommaire.htm
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Posted - February 04 2007 : 5:37:08 PM
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| Well, I think we've just about covered the long and the short of this topic... |
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Posted - February 04 2007 : 7:33:29 PM
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Ho ho! What a wicked pun, Obi! Long and short?
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Posted - February 06 2007 : 10:34:21 AM
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Posted - July 09 2007 : 4:31:59 PM
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What I always found interesting is, Carbine or Carabine, means A light, "short" rifle.
Actually short has nothing to do with the name carbine, what it refers to is that the weapon shoots a pistol sized round of ammuntion. The 18th cent carbine could have a 42 inch barrel as long as it fired a 69 cal ball (at that time more of a pistol ball). |
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Posted - July 10 2007 : 12:07:33 PM
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But, the term in French was used to mean a short gun made for use by the mounted troupes. Not many were made, only a few thousand, and 1100 were made with rifled barrels. I believe this was around 1736. And I don't know if the rifling was straight or spiraled. This is the only instance of French using a rifled gun, so if a French-speaking people, like the Hurons for instance, wanted to refer to someone carrying a rifle, then they might use this term. Of course, in English, it makes no sense at all.
And then, since none of the 1100 rifled guns were shipped to New France, how would the Hurons have heard of them? |
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Posted - July 11 2007 : 1:20:19 PM
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I could run with this ...but I'll behave ! |
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Posted - July 11 2007 : 1:31:13 PM
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| Go on, Light. Get in trouble - AS ALWAYS! Please continue! |
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Posted - July 11 2007 : 7:17:41 PM
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| Why, I'm sure I don't know what you mean. |
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Posted - July 11 2007 : 7:20:24 PM
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Originally posted by cuthron
Uncas was "le cerf agile" wich is somerhing like "fast deer" and chingachgook was "le cros serpent" wich means "great snake".
Actually his french name was "Le venado ágil", the nimble deer.
RED!!!!
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Thanks for that one LOTM. I was just about to join you in the last three when I saw the deer hunter post and wanted November to be here already. I AM actually a deer hunter. |
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