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Kirachi
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 Posted - October 29 2007 : 08:30:18 AM
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Well, since I'm currently very into making clothing and such (much thanks to Red for the rec of that book and WW for the sites, haha I'm in full swing now)I've began to study some of the clothes worn in this period (LOTM)
So since we have a lot of reneactors I was wondering if anyone could answer this question.
How accurate are the costume's in the movie?
I'm more intrested in the women's clothings but men's is good too.
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Wilderness Woman
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Posted - October 29 2007 : 09:16:49 AM
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I can't speak for the men's clothing and uniforms, but I can talk about the women's.
For the most part, it was very, very good. Someone did their research pretty well. The gowns the girls are wearing in the Albany scene are perfect, as are their white caps and straw hats. Their riding habits are good, as well. The long sleeves and high necklines are correct for a riding habit. They should have been wearing ladies' tricorn hats, however. They would have been decorated with feathers for a touch of femininity. The straw hats were not correct for traveling.
My only complaint, really, is the outfit Cora wears after they arrive at the fort and she is given clothing to change into. It is certainly sexy, yes... just not totally accurate.
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Her shift sleeves are way too long. Shift sleeves did not reach all the way to the wrist. They should end just below the elbow, as Alice's are. The low neckline of her shift is very appropriate and accurate. Also, I am not quite sure what that sleeveless, tied-in-front garment is supposed to be. If they are supposed to be stays, they pretty much miss the mark. They could represent either jumps (partially-boned stays) or a woman's quilted waistcoat, which was worn as an undergarment for warmth. Whatever it is... it's not quite right, and she is in her underwear on top. She should have had a jacket or bedgown over it. Of course, that would not have been as sexy-looking! Her striped petticoat, however, is very accurate.
Kirachi, I will send you the petticoat instructions, if you will PM me with your email address. And if you need any assistance or advice on fabrics, please don't hesitate to contact me. I will be most happy to help you. |
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Light of the Moon
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Posted - October 29 2007 : 09:58:39 AM
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Maybe Cora was hopeing to catch someone's attention ? How many men will look away if you wear your undergarments for all to see?
If Hawkeye and Uncas were around I may have even pulled that stunt!
*Kidding, y'all!* I known that was shameful but well...if the shoe fits !
BTW, my mother is really big into historical dresses and has been working on a set for herself and I. Her's is quite matronly, very appropriate I think for the civil war era (not 1750) but only WW would understand the amount of time and fabric it's taking to make just one dress.
Mine is more of a Scarlet O'Hara appeal and is absolutely beautiful! My oldest girl is actually being Scarlet for Halloween. She's very excited about getting to wear that costume.
We plan to wear them at tall stacks next year. BTW...Tall Stacks is a festival held in Cincinnati, OH every year. People come in attire from all over. Re-enactors, people who just like to dress up, and historians pour in by the 1000's. Last year they had over 250k attend. Tons of "Tall Stacks" paddle boats travel all the way up the Mississippi River and dock in the city for about a week or two. It really is something to see! |
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James N.
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Posted - October 29 2007 : 3:30:18 PM
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I have some stories to tell regarding the inaccuracies regarding the uniforms of both sides; and more particularly HOW and WHY some of these occurred. I hope to be able to work them into a coherent narrative before TOO long. A simple example will suffice:
Montcalm's force consisted of 4 regiments of French regulars; each wore "white" ( pearl-grey, actually )uniforms with different-colored facings ( collars, lapels, turnbacks ). In addition were the Troupes de la Marine, or Canadian provincial troops. It is ONLY the latter you see in the movie, because that is ALL the production company ordered! This was to greatly simplify the production and its cost. Oddly enough, they DID have the correct colors ( flags ) for the various regiments; you can see them in the "Parley" scene between Munro and Montcalm. But all are carried by Troupes de la Marine! Also, save for a few drummers and two artillery officers ( more about THAT later! ), NO support troops are represented, much to my chagrin! |
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Fitzhugh Williams
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Posted - October 29 2007 : 4:09:19 PM
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Also, as I think I may have stated somewhere else, the film shows the Troupes de la Marine wearing vestes (waistcoats). Since it was summer and was hot, Montcalm had ordered his troupes to leave the vestes at Fort Carillon and wear only the justaucorp. I am not sure if anyone knew this in 1992. This summer for the 250th of Fort WH the officer in charge of the French, who is also a researcher, posted that the military should again not wear their vestes since it was not done 250 years ago. The order was apparently ignored (along with many others).
Also, no kilt-wearing highlander regiments at Fort WH. |
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Steve S
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Posted - October 29 2007 : 4:42:31 PM
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And,I believe,no 60th or militia either.Only actual error with Brit uniforms I've noticed was putting the 60th Grenadiers in bearskins...A few years too early.
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Fitzhugh Williams
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Posted - October 29 2007 : 5:00:25 PM
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The 60th, I thought, were going to Fort Edward, and the 35th was at WH? I haven't thought to look at the uniforms. Was this the RAR? I heard they were the 62nd when formed, then renumbered to the 60th around 1757.
All Brits look alike to me. |
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RedFraggle
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Posted - October 29 2007 : 5:38:00 PM
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Originally posted by Fitzhugh Williams
The 60th, I thought, were going to Fort Edward, and the 35th was at WH?
That's what Webb says in the movie. I think, historically, that both regiments were at Wm-Henry (?). The 35th was, along with parts (but definitely not all) of the 60th, aka Royal Americans.
Other than that, all I know is that Duncan is supposed to be an American serving with the 60th, at least in Cooper's novel. In the movie it's flip-flopped and he's a Brit serving with the 35th. And now I think I'm confused.  |
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Fitzhugh Williams
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Posted - October 29 2007 : 7:13:29 PM
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So I went to the source of all knowledge, Google, and found the following:
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By the time the siege began Monro had under his command around 2,200 men consisting of the 35th Regiment of Foot , elements of the 60th Foot and the New Hampshire Provincial Regiment along with militia from New Jersey and Massachusetts
What! No New York militia? I guess Jack Winthrop was gone by then. |
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RedFraggle
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Posted - October 29 2007 : 10:33:16 PM
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Originally posted by Fitzhugh Williams
So I went to the source of all knowledge, Google. . . .
Wait . . . I thought Wikipedia was the source of all knowledge. Can there be two? |
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caitlin
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Posted - October 29 2007 : 11:05:01 PM
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Originally posted by Light of the Moon
We plan to wear them at tall stacks next year. BTW...Tall Stacks is a festival held in Cincinnati, OH every year. People come in attire from all over. Re-enactors, people who just like to dress up, and historians pour in by the 1000's. Last year they had over 250k attend. Tons of "Tall Stacks" paddle boats travel all the way up the Mississippi River and dock in the city for about a week or two. It really is something to see!
My husband and I went to Tall Stacks in 1999? before we moved out West! We had a blast! We especially loved the Civil War encampment on the other side of the river. I know that they've added a ton of things over the years. We look forward to going again someday when we are back in the area!
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Fitzhugh Williams
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Posted - October 30 2007 : 12:10:19 AM
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Originally posted by RedFraggle
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Originally posted by Fitzhugh Williams
So I went to the source of all knowledge, Google. . . .
Wait . . . I thought Wikipedia was the source of all knowledge. Can there be two?
The path to Wikipedia is through Google, Grasshopper. |
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Obediah
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 Posted - October 30 2007 : 01:08:01 AM
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| Yes...Wikipedia is the source of all knowledge, even though a big chunk of it is wrong wrong wrong... |
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Kirachi
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Posted - October 30 2007 : 06:38:12 AM
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Originally posted by Wilderness Woman
I can't speak for the men's clothing and uniforms, but I can talk about the women's.
For the most part, it was very, very good. Someone did their research pretty well. The gowns the girls are wearing in the Albany scene are perfect, as are their white caps and straw hats. Their riding habits are good, as well. The long sleeves and high necklines are correct for a riding habit. They should have been wearing ladies' tricorn hats, however. They would have been decorated with feathers for a touch of femininity. The straw hats were not correct for traveling.
My only complaint, really, is the outfit Cora wears after they arrive at the fort and she is given clothing to change into. It is certainly sexy, yes... just not totally accurate.
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Her shift sleeves are way too long. Shift sleeves did not reach all the way to the wrist. They should end just below the elbow, as Alice's are. The low neckline of her shift is very appropriate and accurate. Also, I am not quite sure what that sleeveless, tied-in-front garment is supposed to be. If they are supposed to be stays, they pretty much miss the mark. They could represent either jumps (partially-boned stays) or a woman's quilted waistcoat, which was worn as an undergarment for warmth. Whatever it is... it's not quite right, and she is in her underwear on top. She should have had a jacket or bedgown over it. Of course, that would not have been as sexy-looking! Her striped petticoat, however, is very accurate.
Kirachi, I will send you the petticoat instructions, if you will PM me with your email address. And if you need any assistance or advice on fabrics, please don't hesitate to contact me. I will be most happy to help you.
Thanks WW that was really helpful. I will PM you today and hope you don't mind if I come back to you if I have anymore questions.
I really do like Alice's gown, the one from the Fort onwards, I like the colour and cut of it so perhaps I will make something similar to that if I can find the right fabric.
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Originally posted by Light of the Moon
Maybe Cora was hopeing to catch someone's attention? How many men will look away if you wear your undergarments for all to see?
If Hawkeye and Uncas were around I may have even pulled that stunt!
*Kidding, y'all!* I known that was shameful but well...if the shoe fits!
BTW, my mother is really big into historical dresses and has been working on a set for herself and I. Her's is quite matronly, very appropriate I think for the civil war era (not 1750) but only WW would understand the amount of time and fabric it's taking to make just one dress.
Mine is more of a Scarlet O'Hara appeal and is absolutely beautiful! My oldest girl is actually being Scarlet for Halloween. She's very excited about getting to wear that costume.
We plan to wear them at tall stacks next year. BTW...Tall Stacks is a festival held in Cincinnati, OH every year. People come in attire from all over. Re-enactors, people who just like to dress up, and historians pour in by the 1000's. Last year they had over 250k attend. Tons of "Tall Stacks" paddle boats travel all the way up the Mississippi River and dock in the city for about a week or two. It really is something to see!
Aww your daughter is going as Scarlet? Which dress, the green o |
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Steve S
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Posted - October 30 2007 : 07:59:35 AM
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Originally posted by Kirachi
Tall stacks sounds wonderful, we have very little events here that do anything about 1700, 1800 etc it's mainly all medieval, which i don't comlplain about as they are fun but it'd be nice to have more eras.
Maybe I'll come to Tall Stacks in the future.
You need to join NFOE,or Lace Wars which also does mid-18thcent...or both!...that would give about 2 events a month in the summer.Don't know exactly where you are,but NFOE have events in Northants,Sussex,Hants,Bath,and Berks next year.
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Seamus
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Posted - October 30 2007 : 08:18:36 AM
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Hey Kirachi!! Have her slide a curtain rod through her dress at the shoulders ala Caroll Burnett on her show many years ago...one of the FUNNIEST episodes I have EVER seen!!!
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Posted - October 30 2007 : 09:29:47 AM
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Hey Kirachi!! Have her slide a curtain rod through her dress at the shoulders ala Caroll Burnett on her show many years ago...one of the FUNNIEST episodes I have EVER seen!!!
I remember seeing that a few years ago on a show featuring the funniest moments in TV history. She's a riot!! Especially loved her in Mama's Family. |
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Light of the Moon
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Posted - October 30 2007 : 12:48:12 PM
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Aww your daughter is going as Scarlet? Which dress, the green one?
I always loved her garden party dress
Tall stacks sounds wonderful, we have very little events here that do anything about 1700, 1800 etc it's mainly all medieval, which i don't comlplain about as they are fun but it'd be nice to have more eras.
Maybe I'll come to Tall Stacks in the future.
Yeah, it's the green one with the wide brim hat and green silk ribbon. Thing is she's dark haired and fair complected so she makes a good Scarlet.
She's totally in love with GWTW so you can imagine how happy she was when to see the costume. |
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