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chasis_22
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 Posted - March 26 2005 : 2:46:20 PM
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I have watched this movie so many times my tape had to be replaced! The one thing I have never understood from my very first viewing is...why didn't everyone jump through the falls with Hawkeye, Uncas, and Chingachgook?
My sister thinks the jump would have killed the frail white folk but I find that hard to believe.
So yeah you may walk (or crawl) away with a few bruises or broken bones but it would have saved so much drama and possibly our beloved Uncas' life! Oh and Duncan could've gotten to skip out on being that night's bar-b-que special.
Call me a tomboy but I would have hiked my skirt up, took a flying leap through the water, and hoped that I wouldn't hit any big rocks!
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 Posted - March 26 2005 : 3:13:34 PM
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| This assunes that Magua and company couldn't/wouldn't do the same. Then of course, - Alice wouldn't have jumped off the cliff after all. She's have probably drowned before Magua had a chance to "hold her under" ... just to be sure. I could see this getting *interesting* though, - since swiming with all all those clothes on might be a tad difficult. |
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Posted - March 26 2005 : 10:28:40 PM
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| They didn't dare make that suggestion........Alice probably would have gone into hysterics and given their position away to Magua, et. al. And, if Uncas has pushed her.....she probably would have drowned. Cora, on the other hand, would have survived, but Cora was not going to leave that sister behind. |
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Light of the Moon
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Posted - March 28 2005 : 2:18:51 PM
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| I took a class in wilderness survival. Do you know how hard it would have been to pull 6-8 people out of river rapids. Three was hard enough! |
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chasis_22
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Posted - March 29 2005 : 4:45:03 PM
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| Well yea but I am sure the adrenaline would have helped somewhat. Although honestly I think Alice would've drowned unless Uncas saved her. |
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Wilderness Woman
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Posted - March 29 2005 : 8:45:52 PM
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But... but... if they had all jumped... then we wouldn't have had those wonderful lines uttered by Nathaniel! You know... "I will find you!" "You stay alive!" etc., etc., etc.
And... then.... we wouldn't have been able to listen to that gorgeous song......
Nope. That just wouldn't have worked A-Tall!  |
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Light of the Moon
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Posted - March 30 2005 : 11:01:24 AM
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| Kudos WW! Also nobody's stopping to think about how heavy those petticoats would have been once saturated. Cora and Alice would have had to stip down just to swim or they would have drowned! |
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 Posted - March 30 2005 : 11:12:41 AM
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| Also, lest one forget, the whole intent was to leave Alice & company behind for Magua & company. The whole object was to avoid a fight, - their powder being a tad damp, and of no use. Since they were "slightly" out number by Magua & company, - the movie probably would have had to end in the cave, with the final shot being a smiling Magua & friends. Maybe even a quick wink into the camera, as he turned around and headed back to Huron Land ... ;) |
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Monadnock Guide
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Posted - March 30 2005 : 11:20:42 AM
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| Light of the Moon, - I don't think you read my earlier reply. For Cora & Alice to jump into the water with all those clothes on, - don't make a great deal of sense, except in a total panic I suppose. Some simple choices really, - death by Magua, drowning or jumping off a cliff. |
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chasis_22
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Posted - March 30 2005 : 3:22:16 PM
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| Don't get me wrong I am quite satisfied with the ending of the movie (except my hunny died) but I had always wondered why they didn't all jump. Had it been me I would have stripped down and took a flying leap through the water....sure it would probably be somewhat chilly and self degrading but I would be alive and wouldn't have had to see magua's face! |
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silentthunder
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Posted - March 30 2005 : 5:32:16 PM
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Strip down huh?? Sounds interesting, I probably would have done the same. Just for fun, I would've waited for Magua and one of his men to get close enough, so I could push them over the waterfall with me and use them as floats.  |
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Posted - April 08 2005 : 12:05:27 PM
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| I also go with silentthunder also, I would have waited for magua and his people to come near and throw then in the falls. In my eyes, If I was part of the movie that what I would do. |
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xHanx
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Posted - April 08 2005 : 5:27:42 PM
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I agree with you there Chasis_22 I would have tucked my skirt into my bloomers, held my nose and taken a running jump.
However it is also true that "the feeble white folk" probably could not have taken the strain mentally or physically,judging how they struggled in the rest of the film, and the mohicans only had a few seconds to make a decision anyway. As somebody mentioned can you imagaine how long it would have taken to convince them it was a good idea, and what if they missed and ended up on a rock or something- very messy. The mohicans weighed up the odds and made a quick descision which they thought would have the most hopeful outcome.
These men were experienced and probably bounced off cliffs and hurled themselves from waterfalls all the time just for the hell of it, when not in the serious business from saving English Damsels in distress of course. possibly exagerating a teeeny bit there. Maybe. |
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Light of the Moon
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Posted - April 08 2005 : 6:28:07 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by Monadnock Guide
Light of the Moon, - I don't think you read my earlier reply. For Cora & Alice to jump into the water with all those clothes on, - don't make a great deal of sense, except in a total panic I suppose. Some simple choices really, - death by Magua, drowning or jumping off a cliff.
I read it....now...tee-hee! |
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Posted - April 09 2005 : 8:21:25 PM
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Originally posted by xHanx
I would have tucked my skirt into my bloomers, held my nose and taken a running jump.
...only you wouldn't have been wearing any bloomers! In fact, you wouldn't have had anything to tuck your petticoat (skirt) into, if you get my drift.
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chasis_22
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Posted - April 11 2005 : 2:33:09 PM
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| That's ok WW that would just be less clothing to discard! Ewwww I can't imagine going through everything they did in the movie totally comando! Gross! |
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Posted - April 11 2005 : 7:00:23 PM
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Well, yes, it does seem rather strange to we 21st century ladies. But it is true that women wore no... er.... unmentionables on the lower half of their body until into the 19th century. And even then, their drawers had a split crotch! (Down, boys!) It was apparently well after the Civil War that women began wearing "closed" drawers.
Of course, during "that time of the month", they tied cloths on, possibly much like a man's breechclout.
But other than that...... Commando!! |
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Light of the Moon
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Posted - April 12 2005 : 7:25:36 PM
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OOOHHHH! 
I've learned in a lot of native cultures there was a mensus hut you were not permitted to leave until your monthly visitor went away. With the exception for other natural demands. |
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Posted - April 12 2005 : 8:26:40 PM
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| Yes indeed, - when "modern folks" long for a return to the "good ol' days" they know not where of they speak. Not really all that long ago, - when there were still out-houses in use, it was common to use a corn cob in place of toilet paper. That's before old Sears Cataloges of course. In fact back in the Northeast frontier days, - houses, cabins actually, were loaded with insects and in Spring Black Flies. To rid the house of them it was routinely "smoked". They would close the damper on the stove or chimney, and light a small fire. This would fill the cabin with heavy smoke, and usually resulted in fewer insects/fly's - and a massive clean-up job for the wife. Still better than living with them 24/7. |
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Posted - April 14 2005 : 12:15:39 AM
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I can't start to imagine how dreadful that must have been for them. 
It's so unfair that us women are the one's that have to suffer all the time.  |
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Posted - April 14 2005 : 08:37:25 AM
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| Not sure that's exactly to way to look at it. Keeping a clean house was a lot of work, - but the husband's life wasn't any piece of cake either. With a piece of land that had to be tended to all the time, rails, fences, small barn, - and animals to tend to he was a tad on the busy side. There was more than enough work for both, - and it took the two of them to make a go of it. Dividing the work makes all the sense in the world, - too much for one. No "push button", chilled, frozen stuff. No snacks while watching a game or movie, - just early to bed, and up before dawn to do it all over again - for both. Besides, - there were undoubtly many times when being "inside" beat being outside by a mile! |
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Diane B.
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Posted - April 14 2005 : 10:17:24 AM
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Wilderness Woman wrote: quote:
...it is true that women wore no... er.... unmentionables on the lower half of their body until into the 19th century. And even then, their drawers had a split crotch! (Down, boys!) It was apparently well after the Civil War that women began wearing "closed" drawers.
WELL! How very interesting! I can understand that we "modern folk" might consider this to be a little "uncivilized" by today's standards; but it has also given me some idea about how "going commando" might have played into "The Kiss" between Hawkeye and Cora! Just remember the passionate looks between them during this scene, as Hawkeye lifts Cora in front of him and they continue their embrace...
OK, this IS a family-friendly site, so I'll just go borrow one of Lady Ann's fans now & leave it at that! |
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Posted - April 14 2005 : 12:37:22 PM
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| I don't think I find it uncivilized. I find it COMFORTABLE! |
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Posted - April 14 2005 : 11:08:54 PM
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I was referring to the you know (hmmmmm) "The Monthly Enemy"....
Just reading about women back then not having the convenient stuff that us ladies have now could have been dreadful. I can't start to imagine the things they had to go through to deal with that.... |
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Posted - April 14 2005 : 11:11:45 PM
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Originally posted by Lurking Huron2313
I was referring to the you know (hmmmmm) "The Monthly Enemy"....
Just reading about women back then not having the convenient stuff that us ladies have now could have been dreadful. I can't start to imagine the things they had to go through to deal with that....
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Posted - April 15 2005 : 4:23:38 PM
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Hi everyone, what a great forum..
In response to the original quesion, the girls and Duncan needed to buy the time for the Mohicans the get the powder and rescue them. If they had jumped too, Hurons would have persued them and killed them all.
If it wasn't for Uncas' stupidity (I know some women would scalp me for this  ), they would have all survived except Duncan. But it would not have been as good a movie and not very romantic...
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