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rydergrl
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 Posted - March 30 2004 : 01:05:48 AM
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The statement that Alice fell from the cliff and didn't jump is strange...if you meant that she fell (accidentally) then I will have to disagree. She looked at Magua and knew what she was going to do, she looked determined for the first time in the whole movie. She turned and let herself gracefully "fall" but on purpose. No jumping like on a trampoline but she didn't fall by accident "oops! lost my footing" either.
Just my opinion though.
As stated in the post above, when I said Alice "fell" from the cliff, I did not mean she accidently lost her footing or anything of that nature. I simply meant she did not jump, as in she did not "spring" from the ground or "leap" into the air, but she did allow herself to "fall" from the cliff.
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Posted - March 30 2004 : 12:37:21 PM
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Yeah I know what u mean..it's almost like she just stepped off the cliff..is that better?
About Alice not returning Uncas's looks..that is a point of debate.. I thought during the scene at the cliffs when she had that exchange with Uncas more than made up for the fact they did not show scenes of her doing anything earlier..
I think she was worried for Uncas when he got slashed initially by Magua..not horrified that she last chance of survival was cut short..
but I see reason when one says she was unaware of him at all..she kinda looked vacant thru out the whole film..
but funny enough...i noticed the attraction the very first time I watched the movie!! Maybe cos I was concentrating hard uNCAS.And i never did think alice was not interested in him. She seems like the type who is not used to expressing herself..and those all those looks at the end spoke volumes..
reading the script just confirmed that she was indeed meant to like him
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Posted - March 30 2004 : 3:02:45 PM
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Originally posted by rydergrl
When I say Alice "fell" from the cliff, I don't mean she accidently tripped or missed her footing. It's just that she did not jump. She literally "let" herself fall from the cliff.
OK. I thought that was what you meant, but wanted to make sure. 
And you know, just that one little difference... flexing her knees vs. not flexing her knees... how much more poignant and dramatic that scene is with that slow-motion turning of her head and the slow, graceful lean into empty nothingness! You feel her courage and her strength of character so much more clearly than if she had taken a fast flying leap. |
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Posted - March 31 2004 : 1:22:54 PM
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| I agree with the above posting..that understated drop (haha..can i say that?) from the cliff was more moving..more tragic..and showed much of her character |
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Posted - March 31 2004 : 8:54:07 PM
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Originally posted by rydergrl
When I say Alice "fell" from the cliff, I don't mean she accidently tripped or missed her footing. It's just that she did not jump. She literally "let" herself fall from the cliff.
OK. I thought that was what you meant, but wanted to make sure.
And you know, just that one little difference... flexing her knees vs. not flexing her knees... how much more poignant and dramatic that scene is with that slow-motion turning of her head and the slow, graceful lean into empty nothingness! You feel her courage and her strength of character so much more clearly than if she had taken a fast flying leap.
Okay WW, we are are in agreement here about the dramatics of the cliff scene where Alice looks away, and then in slow-motion looks almost definately at Magua with those huge eyes, looks away again and then steps away into nothingness. And yes I suppose it would have taken a lot of courage to take that final step. |
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Posted - March 31 2004 : 9:13:35 PM
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Originally posted by Lurking Huron3087
About Alice not returning Uncas's looks..that is a point of debate.. I thought during the scene at the cliffs when she had that exchange with Uncas more than made up for the fact they did not show scenes of her doing anything earlier..
I think she was worried for Uncas when he got slashed initially by Magua..not horrified that she last chance of survival was cut short..
but I see reason when one says she was unaware of him at all..she kinda looked vacant thru out the whole film..
just my opinion!:)
After reading your post and the one by Wilderness Woman" I replayed that scene again and again. There is a "look" exchanged between Alice and Uncas. It occurs after Magua slashes Uncas across the midsection. Uncas looks down at the wound, almost in disbelief, then looks at Alice, knowingly; Alice looks at Uncas; however, I'm still not certain about it being a look of love, more like a look of realization, that Uncas is not going to be able to save her "this time," and yes, that he might be killed. Then the camera goes back to Uncas and he is still looking at Alice, almost as if to say, "I'm willing to give my life for you." But then instead of the camera going back to Alice, it switches to Magua and we know what his look is saying. |
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Posted - April 01 2004 : 07:26:53 AM
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Okay..talkin' about the same scene..
Magua slashed Uncas's midsection..then the camera shows Alice the first time...i thought she looked worried and horrified that he had gotten injured..then Uncas looks at herand I kinda thought he looked as if he was unsure whether to continue fighting Magua as he was injured and he looked at Alice to decide...she givees him this wide-eyed hopeful look..and Uncas sees that..sees that hopeful expression and he makes up his mind to continue fighting Magua for her..and he's gonna die trying if he has to..
I thought Magua was kinda gving him a choice at the part...he could have just killed Uncas immediately. |
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Posted - April 19 2004 : 05:50:41 AM
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Yes. Uncas was in love with, or at least very attracted to, Alice. He was the one who gave all of the tender looks toward her. I cannot recall seeing any tender looks given back to him by Alice. She was so frightened about what was happening to her that she never even noticed Uncas' attentions to her. "Stop them! We need them to get out!" This was not a romantic statement. This was Alice being worried about Alice.
This film is truly a masterpiece *of our time*. So many reflections and tones in every character, scene and confrontation.
What does "love" mean? Remember: This movie plays in a time where "romantic love" was a thing to come. The rise of individualism was object of contemporary philosophy in the 18th century. It ended in the american and french revolution.
So Uncas never would make a difference between love and lust. In other words: when he feels lust he loves, when he has lust he feels love (just as it should be). Remember: "primitive people" don't know prostitution.
And obviously every human being thrown into this fierce and uncivilized world of the america in the 18th century soon growns back to his roots... So Alice shouts out: "Stop them! We need them to get out!" And so Cora wildly embraces Nathaniel in the fort.
And our time gives enough resources and freedom to let be a film like LOTM. From time to time. |
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Posted - April 19 2004 : 05:54:20 AM
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Originally posted by Wilderness Woman
Yes. Uncas was in love with, or at least very attracted to, Alice. He was the one who gave all of the tender looks toward her. I cannot recall seeing any tender looks given back to him by Alice. She was so frightened about what was happening to her that she never even noticed Uncas' attentions to her. "Stop them! We need them to get out!" This was not a romantic statement. This was Alice being worried about Alice.
This film is truly a masterpiece *of our time*. So many reflections and tones in every character, scene and confrontation.
What does "love" mean? Remember: This movie plays in a time where "romantic love" was a thing to come. The rise of individualism was object of contemporary philosophy in the 18th century. It ended in the american and french revolution.
So Uncas never would make a difference between love and lust. In other words: when he feels lust he loves, when he has lust he feels love (just as it should be). Remember: "primitive people" don't know prostitution.
And obviously every human being thrown into this fierce and uncivilized world of the america in the 18th century soon growns back to his roots... So Alice shouts out: "Stop them! We need them to get out!" And so Cora wildly embraces Nathaniel in the fort.
And our time gives enough resources and freedom to let be a film like LOTM. From time to time. |
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 Posted - April 23 2004 : 5:01:35 PM
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Wilderness Woman I strongly agree with your post ! :) but when i watched the movie afterward..there is a point when uncas is fighting magua that Alice tries to pull away from the huron that was holding her..perhaps she was actually doing that..to get away and help uncas??? and she seemed rather upset...ahh well perhaps all of us  *romantics*  just kinda interpreted it the way we wanted to see it..all mushy and loving at that lol, I dunno just a little observation..What do you think??
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Posted - July 19 2004 : 9:13:19 PM
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| yea..she definitely seemed like she wanted to break away and get to Uncas. She looked heartbroken when he got slashed. Those looks that they exchanged spoke a thousand words! |
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