Re: Miscellaneous Junk

Posted by Champ on June 10, 1999 at 15:18:35:

In Reply to: Miscellaneous Junk posted by Tom on June 10, 1999 at 08:40:57:

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: Yes, I have heard all these stories about the wonderful racial diversity of the Confederate army. Excuse me if I believe that these stories are much ado about nothing. An attempt by Southern apologists to excuse the Confederacy for fighting for slavery. The Union army had a 180,000 African Americans under arms by the end of the war. Most of these men were Southern blacks who knew well enough which side was fighting for their purpose. In comparison were a paltry few thousand black Confederates and that pretty much makes a mockery of comparing opportunies for blacks in the two armies. No, I do not believe that Union army's ranks were stocked with abolitionists. Few Northerners had any particular love for black people; but most came to recognize a curse on the land and their own futures when they saw one.

: As for the possibility for an African American historian to see some comparisons between the ANV and the Waffen SS. Well, it is very well documented that Lee's army on its march up North in the summer of 1863 were seizing free African Americans, shackling them togther and selling them into slavery down South. (Lee Considered by Alan Nolan is one source that mentions this black mark on ANV's record) I wonder how this "black" soldier in Stonewall Jim's brigade felt about these actions? Also lets not forget the actions of Confederate forces in the Crater in 1864 where they murdered black soldiers trying to surrender. Now a white Southern might choose to dismiss these ugly episodes as "pc revivisionism" or jump to point out similar atrocities committed by Union forces. Yet I can see how an African American historian, a descendent of slaves, could see comparisons between the ANV and another superb fighting force with a black record.

>You give a pretty good, one-sided argument.
Heard these stories?
Why dont you read some of them for yourself? I've included a URL for a site that has delved into the historical record of both sides and presented the facts.
The site is maintained by the 37th TX Cavalry reenactors, a historically correct multi-racial unit, who did the research to prove that they exsisted to other reenactors, and now its become a treasure trove of information as they've continued to dig into the records, diaries, etc of both armies.
Oh, by the by, that few thousand (a bad choice on my part) could be as high as 90,000 blacks who served in the CSA.
Go ahead, check it out for yourself, I've had the guts to look at both sides of the issues, and I'm not an apologists, just sick of people who accept the "PC" revisionists facts at face-value.

"Champ"
proud father of a daughter (Shannon Morgan) named
for the general eight of her ancestors
rode under during the War Between The States
(John Hunt Morgan)

• 37th Texas Cavalry

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: : Yes, I have heard all these stories about the wonderful racial diversity of the Confederate army.  Excuse me if I believe that these stories are much ado about nothing.  An attempt by Southern apologists to excuse the Confederacy for fighting for slavery.  The Union army had a 180,000 African Americans under arms by the end of the war.  Most of these men were Southern blacks who knew well enough which side was fighting for their purpose. In comparison were a paltry few thousand black Confederates and that pretty much makes a mockery of comparing opportunies for blacks in the two armies.  No, I do not believe that Union army's ranks were stocked with abolitionists.  Few Northerners had any particular love for black people; but most came to recognize a curse on the land and their own futures when they saw one.

: : As for the possibility for an African American historian to see some comparisons between the ANV and the Waffen SS.  Well, it is very well documented that Lee's army on its march up North in the summer of 1863 were seizing free African Americans, shackling them togther and selling them into slavery down South. (Lee Considered by Alan Nolan is one source that mentions this black mark on ANV's record)  I wonder how this "black" soldier in Stonewall Jim's brigade felt about these actions?  Also lets not forget the actions of Confederate forces in the Crater in 1864 where they murdered black soldiers trying to surrender. Now a white Southern might choose to dismiss these ugly episodes as "pc revivisionism" or jump to point out similar atrocities committed by Union forces.  Yet I can see how an African American historian, a descendent of slaves, could see comparisons between the ANV and another superb fighting force with a black record.

: >You give a pretty good, one-sided argument.
: Heard these stories?
: Why dont you read some of them for yourself? I've included a URL for a site that has delved into the historical record of both sides and presented the facts.
: The site is maintained by the 37th TX Cavalry reenactors, a historically correct multi-racial unit, who did the research to prove that they exsisted to other reenactors, and now its become a treasure trove of information as they've continued to dig into the records, diaries, etc of both armies.
: Oh, by the by, that few thousand (a bad choice on my part) could be as high as 90,000 blacks who served in the CSA.
: Go ahead, check it out for yourself, I've had the guts to look at both sides of the issues, and I'm not an apologists, just sick of people who accept the "PC" revisionists facts at face-value.

: "Champ"
: proud father of a daughter (Shannon Morgan) named
: for the general eight of her ancestors
: rode under during the War Between The States
: (John Hunt Morgan)


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