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Wilderness Woman
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 Posted - August 01 2008 : 8:29:31 PM
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Oh, goodness! It could have been a lot worse, MG! 
A-w-w-w-w..... gawrsh.  Thanks, Seamus! You are very kind in your praise of my humble offering to the World of 18th Century Public Education. Much appreciated.
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Seamus
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Posted - August 02 2008 : 04:33:47 AM
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| (Ol' Seamus, leanin' against a big tree, catching some shade, thinks to himself,) "............of course, might need some Cherry Bounce to wash those FINE cookies down..........." |
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Wilderness Woman
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Posted - August 02 2008 : 07:50:53 AM
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| Got another batch "cookin'" now. 'Twill be ready this fall. |
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richfed
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Posted - August 02 2008 : 09:27:01 AM
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| Thanks for the education, WW! Nice stuff! |
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James N.
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Posted - August 02 2008 : 4:03:52 PM
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It's a little late to comment on the ORIGINAL idea in this topic, but don't you think it's a little STUPID for Cora to even bother with the pistol in the first place? It HAS to be included only so she can courageously pull it out during the "massacre", rather than merely cringing like Alice. ( Wonder why she didn't slip it to Hawkeye while he was in the cell?? ) WW should be able to attest that not only are the pistols of the era surprisingly heavy - they're notoriously unreliable as weapons! They have a ridiculously short range; are prone to misfire; and unless you're target shooting ( or dueling! ), impractically slow to reload. ( Wonder where she was going to get the powder and right size ball to reload it with anyway? ) Even in the cavalry they were considered weapons of "last resort", the sword or sabre being the primary arm.
Since they're therefore essentially literally one-shot affairs, one might assume this was simply an attempt to avoid the ever-popular Victorian ( remembering Cooper was writing in the Victorian era ) notion of "a fate worse than death". Maybe she intended it for herself or ( more likely ) Alice! |
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Seamus
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Posted - August 02 2008 : 6:49:40 PM
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"Is it history, or is it Hollywood?"..........James, you should know the answer, given your bio!! What do Directors know about 'correct'....eh?
But, 'A gun' is better than 'no gun', so perhaps you have a point...."Maybe she intended it for herself or ( more likely ) Alice!" If she had to go, she could, perhaps, take an enemy with her, at least.....she definitely would not allow herself to be lead like a lamb to slaughter...or whatever.
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Wilderness Woman
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Posted - August 03 2008 : 09:26:31 AM
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quote:
Originally posted by James N.
It's a little late to comment on the ORIGINAL idea in this topic, but don't you think it's a little STUPID for Cora to even bother with the pistol in the first place?
No, James, it is never too late to comment. And I think you have reinforced, and added to, my point quite nicely.
One correction, though, if I may... she acquired the pistol when the party of travelers was attacked on the trip from Albany to Fort William Henry. Then she pulled it out of her pocket when they stopped for the night in the Indian burial ground and she and Nathaniel were talking, not later on during the massacre as they were leaving the Fort.
To answer one of your questions, I think one reason she didn't slip the pistol to Nathaniel when he was in the cell could be that she probably didn't have it in her possession any more. My thinking is that once they made it to the fort, she probably gave it to her father or someone else there. She may have felt there was no longer a need for it. Remember that she didn't take it out of her pocket and try to use it during the massacre. So, she definitely didn't have it then. |
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richfed
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Posted - August 03 2008 : 10:16:52 AM
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| No, she did have it at the massacre ... and used it, too. Didn't she????!!!??? |
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Posted - August 03 2008 : 11:13:51 AM
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| Yep, she was packin' heat all the way from the ambush to Massacre Valley. But that raises another question. Where was the pistol during "The Kiss" scene? Seems like it would have been in the way. |
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Wilderness Woman
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Posted - August 03 2008 : 11:22:34 AM
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Oh Good Grief!!! You are right!!! I can see the images in my mind now. After all the times I have seen that movie, how could I possibly forget that??? Unbelievable.
Thanks, all, for reminding me. I stand most humbly corrected. 
Well, Fitz... perhaps she had left said pistol in her room, since she was working in the hospital?  |
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Diane B.
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Posted - August 03 2008 : 12:25:20 PM
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But that raises another question. Where was the pistol during "The Kiss" scene? Seems like it would have been in the way.
Nathaniel to Cora: "Is that a pistol in your pocket, or are you just glad to see me?"  |
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Wilderness Woman
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Posted - August 03 2008 : 12:40:21 PM
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I knew it! I just knew someone would beat me to it! I was just coming back on to write that. Only my scenario would have had Cora saying it to Nathaniel, thusly:
"Is that my pistol in my pocket, or are you just glad to see me?"
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Diane B.
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Posted - August 03 2008 : 12:51:07 PM
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Perfect, WW!!!  That line works much better! |
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Posted - August 04 2008 : 11:56:07 PM
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Joyce,
Know anything of the clothing worn by women during the 1820's and 1830's? I am going to work on a Crockett graphic novel soon and no doubt, such information would help in achieving accuracy!
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Wilderness Woman
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Posted - August 05 2008 : 09:03:58 AM
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Hi Wade,
No, I don't know a great deal about the clothing of that era, other than pictures I have seen in books, sort of in passing. You may be able to find some information online, though. Let me see if I can recall some good websites that might help you. |
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