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Light of the Moon
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 Posted - July 15 2006 : 7:16:22 PM
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Poll Question:
Would you marry Duncan after he lied about the war party and massacre?
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Posted - July 15 2006 : 9:21:32 PM
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Well, I wouldn't marry Duncan whether he lied or not.. 
I think Cora was of the same opinion.. |
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Irishgirl
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Posted - July 16 2006 : 09:51:48 AM
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| Who in their right mind would want to marry that moron? Rather stay a spinster or become a nun |
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Lady of Glencairn
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Posted - July 16 2006 : 10:14:02 AM
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Who in their right mind would want to marry that moron? Rather stay a spinster or become a nun
Absolutely!  He is definitely not someone I would forgive after that. |
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Fitzhugh Williams
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Posted - July 16 2006 : 6:25:25 PM
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| Hummm..... I guess he won't be coming to the next Gathering!!! |
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Stephanie
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Posted - July 16 2006 : 7:59:10 PM
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Well wait just a minute here, Duncan-bashers. He ain't so bad! He's just human. You are judging him from your armchair in the 21st century, but put yourself in his time period, with his background. In Duncan's world, he was doing the only thing he knew: support a superior officer in making the world England. Sir. Probably the military is all he knew and he possibly really didn't understand what was going on in the colonies. He wasn't exactly truthful about what he saw, but are all of you so perfect that you can stand in judgement of him? No one here has ever had a weak moment? Have you ever supported a superior or a friend in the face of strangers even if you weren't sure you were right?
Now think of this... wasn't Duncan standing in the background a good distance when Uncas, Hawkeye, and Chingachgook were discussing the fact that the mirrors and other goods were still there? Perhaps to Duncan's untrained eye, it DID look like nothing more than a war party. "I saw nothing" doesn't mean that he is calling the other men liars, he is just saying that from his point of view, it looked like just a war party. Perhaps he just didn't know what to think of the whole thing?
Give the guy a break. In the end he did a brave and noble thing. Those of you who judge Duncan ask yourselves if you would have been brave enough to do the same before you judge him too harshly.
And besides, he hasn't asked you to marry him anyway.
Steph <stepping down off the soapbox> 
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Irishgirl
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Posted - July 16 2006 : 8:02:53 PM
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| Steph, not a matter or whether he lied or not. I would not want him in any case. Just not my "cup of tea". You defend him very well though. You should be a lawyer you know. |
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Posted - July 16 2006 : 9:26:29 PM
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That's right. If I ever needed someone to defend me in a court of law, I'd like you to represent me, Stephanie.
You've definitely created reasonable doubt in my mind about Duncan's guilt.
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Lady of Glencairn
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Posted - July 17 2006 : 02:45:08 AM
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Originally posted by StephanieAnd besides, he hasn't asked you to marry him anyway.
 No, he hasnt ... and he certainly isnt likely to , is he? But well done, youve defended him quite admirably ... you even had me going! |
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Stephanie
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Posted - July 17 2006 : 2:14:27 PM
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| Thanks, guys, for listening to another opinion. Now of course I have to ask the question: IF you were in love with Duncan, and he "lied" about the Cameron massacre, what would you do? |
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Lady of Glencairn
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Posted - July 18 2006 : 02:53:53 AM
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*sings* Hit the road Jack, and dont you come back no more, no more, no more, no more ....* 
Seriously though, the case youve presented in his favour is pretty compelling ... but I prefer my men with a mind of their own. So he needed to 'make the world English' and the military was all he knew, etc ... but that to me is not strong enough motivation. To me Duncan seemed very much like a follower rather than a leader ... perhaps thats just because Nathaniel had such a commanding presence that it seemed to overshadow whatever authoritative power Duncan had. But Im getting sidetracked here ...
Bottom line, I like my guys with a bit more of a backbone. |
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Irishgirl
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Posted - July 18 2006 : 7:09:35 PM
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| Well said Lady. I have to say I could never imagine me being "in love" with Duncan but if pigs learned how to fly and the world was taken over by Aliens and I got hypnotized into thinking that I was then I would probably forgive him for his "lie" and try to mold him into the man I would like him to be. |
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Posted - July 18 2006 : 8:20:08 PM
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| hey Irish....and that man would be Uncas?? |
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Lady of Glencairn
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Posted - July 19 2006 : 05:11:18 AM
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| Haha! @ IG! Now that sounds like a plan ... I imagine once again we are headed back to my statement about cloning ... If that were indeed possible, we would not have to share. |
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Irishgirl
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Posted - July 19 2006 : 08:10:38 AM
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Oh yes, back to the cloning alright. We would need quite a few Uncas's to go around everyone that wants one. Know any mad Scientists who would care to carry out our devious cloning plan??
Meg, you know me so well. That man would indeed be Uncas... heehee.
Since we are on the subject of Duncan, I just watched a movie last night with him in it. I have never seen him in any other movie other than LOTM so was quite surprised to see him in "The Hole". It is a movie set in England revolving around the disappearance of 4 teens from a very fancy school. Keira Knightley is also in this one. Duncan, or should I say Steven, plays an English Police Detective trying to get to the truth of what really happened. It is a good movie. Just thought I would mention it as, like I said, never seen him in any other movies. |
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Lady of Glencairn
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Posted - July 19 2006 : 09:09:46 AM
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| Steven probably looks strange without his military garb ... particularly since (I assume) youve become really used to seeing him in it when watching LOTM over and over and over and over ... |
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Posted - July 19 2006 : 12:48:10 PM
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Poor Duncan. He has been so very much maligned on this board, as has his real persona, Steven Waddington. Stephanie, you did not fail me! I had hoped you would come to Duncan's defense, yet again.
Ladies. Setting Duncan aside, I would like for you all to go to this site and take a look at a very talented, and very versatile actor. www.sherryweb.com/steven Then come back here and share your changed thoughts regarding Steven. |
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Light of the Moon
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Posted - July 19 2006 : 12:51:45 PM
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Hummm..... I guess he won't be coming to the next Gathering!!!
Yes...We'll have our knives ready and sharpened for him!! |
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Light of the Moon
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Posted - July 19 2006 : 1:03:27 PM
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Well wait just a minute here, Duncan-bashers. He ain't so bad! He's just human. You are judging him from your armchair in the 21st century, but put yourself in his time period, with his background. In Duncan's world, he was doing the only thing he knew: support a superior officer in making the world England. Sir. Probably the military is all he knew and he possibly really didn't understand what was going on in the colonies. He wasn't exactly truthful about what he saw, but are all of you so perfect that you can stand in judgement of him? No one here has ever had a weak moment? Have you ever supported a superior or a friend in the face of strangers even if you weren't sure you were right?
Now think of this... wasn't Duncan standing in the background a good distance when Uncas, Hawkeye, and Chingachgook were discussing the fact that the mirrors and other goods were still there? Perhaps to Duncan's untrained eye, it DID look like nothing more than a war party. "I saw nothing" doesn't mean that he is calling the other men liars, he is just saying that from his point of view, it looked like just a war party. Perhaps he just didn't know what to think of the whole thing?
Give the guy a break. In the end he did a brave and noble thing. Those of you who judge Duncan ask yourselves if you would have been brave enough to do the same before you judge him too harshly.
And besides, he hasn't asked you to marry him anyway.
Steph <stepping down off the soapbox>
OOOO-EEEEEEEEEE!
No he didn't ask - thank GOD! Not my taste anyway.
His noble act in the end I think was commendable and utterly the act of someone who knows how to love - I'm not questioning his devotion to Cora...just asking if you would or would not marry him.
I also noticed that he didn't deny the war party after he and Col. Monroe were alone, "Things were done, no one was spared." and "Cora, once we're away from here and back in London, and wed, nothing that had to be said and done here will matter not of all."
So uh-hu , he didn't "an attack banked on theivry." out of mere misunderstanding.
As far as telling a lie to support a superior officer? I have to agree with LOG. I'd rather have a man who could stand on the truth and go to jail, at least then I know he died doing the right thing and I would do all possible (with the Col. being my pa') to justify and save him!
And in my moments of weakness, supporting a person close to my heart, weather or not if I knew it was the right thing, I have not turned away from the truth and if I turned out wrong, "I'm sorry, I didn't know," will be the most I could do, to be forgiven or not is up to the other party, but at least I have honesty. 
To each his own, still it was an interesting view to see! |
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Lady of Glencairn
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Posted - July 19 2006 : 1:28:55 PM
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Ladies. Setting Duncan aside, I would like for you all to go to this site and take a look at a very talented, and very versatile actor. www.sherryweb.com/steven Then come back here and share your changed thoughts regarding Steven.
I dont think that anyone here is of the particular opinion that Steven is without talent or good merit. We are merely expressing our opinion of the role he played in the movie, and whether that character is in any way attractive to any of us. Im sure that hes a great guy and a fantastic actor, but Duncan the character wasnt that great a guy to me. Perhaps that is an indication of his good acting abilities. |
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Fitzhugh Williams
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Posted - July 19 2006 : 1:33:13 PM
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One thing to be considered is that Duncan was in perfect agreement with Monro about keeping the Colonial Militia at the fort. He did not agree with Webb at Albany, and had no problem confronting a General he disagreed with. So at William Henry, he probably did agree with what Monro was doing, and far from lying to support his Colonel, he was lying to keep the Colonials there. Making the world England, as it were.
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Posted - July 19 2006 : 1:57:32 PM
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I dont think that anyone here is of the particular opinion that Steven is without talent or good merit. We are merely expressing our opinion of the role he played in the movie, and whether that character is in any way attractive to any of us.
Lady Glen, you are absolutely correct and I apologize for confusing the two issues. There have been women on the boards in the past who called Mr. Waddington unattractive names. I guess I had them in the back of my mind and became a bit overly defensive on his behalf. Sorry!
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Posted - July 19 2006 : 2:01:06 PM
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Light of the Moon,
You make some good points. However, admitting that things were done, no one was spared, does not mean that he clearly lied. I still think it's possible he didn't clearly understand the situation at the cabin since he didn't hear the Mohicans' conversation about it. Just a possibility.
Fitz I like your comments as well. "Making the world England" was part of everything this man was about. It was likely ingrained into his mind from a young age, especially if he was sent off to military school as a young boy. We don't know his background, but that's a likely scenario. You're right, he had no problem confronting Webb about something he disagreed with, so it's not like he has no sense of right or wrong. But to judge him by OUR standards of today is not fair... we don't know what it was like to be Duncan.
Fitz I still think there's more to his supporting Munro than just keeping the Colonials there, though. That's certainly part of it, but I think he has a true fondness and respect for Munro and he also wants Munro to look upon him favorably... he needed to score points as a possible future son-in-law so he perhaps supported Munro for that reason as well. You can see there is conflict within him when he answers, and perhaps his background and his hopes for the future colored his perception of what he saw at Cameron's cabin. |
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Posted - July 19 2006 : 2:02:31 PM
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| To WW... thanks for posting the link to the website anyway. I enjoyed it! |
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Posted - July 19 2006 : 2:05:12 PM
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| We may have called Duncan unattractive names but not the actor Steve. We are talking about this particular role in LOTM which none of us found very endearing. I am sure that he is a very good actor and wish Steve well in real life. I am sure in real life he is nothing like the character of Duncan. |
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Posted - July 19 2006 : 4:57:49 PM
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To be perfectly honest, there have been some negative remarks on the forum, regarding Duncan's physical features, which could be understood as criticising Steven's appearance.. Maybe even in my own posts.. Whatever I wrote, I had Duncan character in mind, not the actor himself, but I guess it can be a little controversial as to who we actually criticised.. |
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