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Is there anyone else here who could not care less if the Uncas-and-Alice "romance" were magically erased from LOTM, never to be seen again?
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Why Miss Bookworm! You are really ready to stand in front of the firing squad, aren't you? Got your blindfold on? 'Cause I hear the muskets being primed and loaded!
To answer your very brave question... Yes. I'm here. And I will join you in front of the firing squad any day. And just before the muskets are fired, I will say yet again: "There was no romance. Uncas was in love with Alice. Alice was not in love with Uncas."
Now................DUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Monadnock Guide
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Posted - June 06 2006 : 08:32:24 AM
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| I'm with you Bookworm, - I saw it as a quasi historical movie, and anything else in it was a distraction, strictly meant to increase it's appeal to a larger audience. ;) |
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MeggieD
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Posted - June 06 2006 : 09:13:28 AM
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| Even though I am a fan of the Uncas/Alice "thing" as it were, it took me 2 viewings to even figure out that he was in love with her.....The first time I saw it I was entranced by the Nathanial/Cora relationship, and it was only after the second time I saw it (several years later) that I even noticed Uncas' interest in Alice. I do feel that they needed to further clarify the feelings of both of them to better convey the motivation of Uncas' and Alice's sacrifice at the end. (which by the way I still feel is a brilliant bit of cinematography) |
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Irishgirl
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Posted - June 06 2006 : 12:32:18 PM
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Hey you guys why you picking on Uncas and Alice? Didn't they suffer enough already? It is an important part of the movie. Heck why not "magically erase" the Nathaniel/Cora romance too while you are at it. Just leave all the "historical stuff". I agree with you MG in that it is only partly historical and all the romance stuff was thrown in so the movie would appeal to a larger audience, which it did. Without the romance aspect, were it all historical, I for one would not have enjoyed it. Lots of us women out here love the romance in there and in particular the mystery surrounding the Uncas/Alice relationship or lack thereof. We shall never know since that meanie Michael Mann deemed it fit to delete the mythical "love scene" under the falls.
Don't worry gals my musket will not be primed and loaded anytime soon. You are safe from me. I sure enjoy all the discussion even if I do not agree with some of it. |
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Posted - June 06 2006 : 6:10:41 PM
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I see it as a valid - but way over blown - part of the film. The essence of the film is myriad, but that ain't it. Not really. The seeds of the American Revolution, the struggles of the American Indian, a full blown romance [Hawkeye/Cora] and hero tale. Uncas and Alice - AS A ROMANCE - is no more than a footnote - side bar, at best!
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Irishgirl
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Posted - June 06 2006 : 10:53:38 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by richfed
MY rifle is loaded!! I shoot back!!!
Thanks for the warning rich 
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Light of the Moon
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Posted - June 07 2006 : 12:46:51 PM
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Now this is a can of worms! Uncas loving fans everywhere will tackle this one. So here I go....
I thought the movie was good without it but then there are scenes where there would have been a lot explained with them.
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raindrops
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Posted - June 07 2006 : 9:30:50 PM
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I don't mind plenty of love stories in movies, even historical ones  
However, there is something else that troubles me in the Uncas/Alice thing. The fate brought Hawkeye and Cora together but it is a bit of coincidence that Hawkeye's brother has a relationship with Cora's sister.. Of course things like that happen but as there are not many women in the movie it makes me think that Uncas was interested in Alice because there was no one else around.. Together with the fact that they didn't interact much throughout the whole movie it makes it a bit difficult for me to understand what actually was going on here.. Different possibilities come to my mind but none of them is significantly more convincing then the others. |
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zinvor
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Posted - June 10 2006 : 3:32:44 PM
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It hardly was a meaningful part of the story, but it is beautiful and touching. As for me if I had to choose I'd rather get rid of Hawkeye/Cora story (PLEASE forgive me Hawkeye's fans). If we see it as a historical film then no love story makes difference and we could "magically erase" all the romance with the same effect.
I agree with you raindrops, that bothers me too. And so I guess there was the only way to avoid further explanations, that is to kill them both. But this line is somewhat unfinished, there are still many questions. Probably they didn't want to attract too much attention to their relationship, but the result was vice versa.
Still two complete love stories between brothers-hunters and sisters-ladies... THAT's what i call drool. |
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Posted - June 10 2006 : 6:33:16 PM
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| i am a guy but i am a romantic one.i am a fan but not as hard core as some of you but personally i wish they didnt die and you could see what happened to all of them not just uncas and alice.but i would rather see their love story than hawkeyes and coras.just my opinion. |
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Monadnock Guide
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Posted - June 10 2006 : 8:14:38 PM
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| A 16 year old "female guy"? ... ;) |
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Posted - June 10 2006 : 8:53:02 PM
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Posted - June 16 2006 : 11:44:04 PM
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I have not stepped into a raging controversy for a while, so this is a lively one. ONCE MORE INTO THE BREACH DEAR FRIENDS, ONCE MORE ACROSS THE WATER FOR OUR .... Wait that is Henry the 5th, not LOTM. Sorry.
Anyway, from my perspective the key to the Uncas/Alice "relationship" rests with Alexandra Cameron. (Funny how I seem to find  excuses to bring up Alexandra?)
I believe that Uncas and Alexandra were in love with each other, but kept that secret from the others. Uncas is quite affected by her death. I believe he left the burned Cameron cabin site determined to "keep that sort of thing from happening again".
I think that Alice appeared to Uncas as the daughter that he and Alexandra might have had together. Or perhaps he viewed her as a younger sister to Alexandra, and thus a "sister" to him.
Uncas thus had a kinship feeling for Alice, and wanted to protect her, having been unable to protect his true love Alexandra. That explains him running ahead of the others to confront Magua, when it would have been smarter wait for his father Chingachgook and brother Hawkeye. His love for Alexandra, platonically transferred to Alice got the better of his common sense.
If Uncas and Alice had both lived, her blossoming womanhood would have presented a challenge (or perhaps an opportunity) to re-evaluate his kinship feelings for Alice. |
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Posted - June 17 2006 : 8:45:09 PM
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| i think people read to much into it.i think uncas and alice kinda had a crush on each other.i think alex was looking at the whole family and how happy they were instead of uncas.i think she is concerned since he is the second to the last of the mohicans.does the book give more detail?i will have to read it. |
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Irishgirl
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Posted - June 18 2006 : 10:23:37 AM
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| Well from a woman's point of view Uncas is one gorgeous guy and any hot blooded woman would "look" at him in a certain way regardless of whether they were married or not. She did have a "thing" for Uncas maybe a little crush. He obviously was very fond of her too. Nothing would have ever come of it of course but we like to think that the feeling was mutual Uncas having a crush on her too. She was definitely looking at him though. |
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Posted - June 18 2006 : 6:18:35 PM
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Well, I,personally, don't like to think that Uncas had a crush on anyone in particular, I like to think he was still young and simply did not think about "these things" yet. Then my imagination produces an alternative story in which I appear in Uncas's life somehow and coincidently that is when he has his first crush on.. guess who.. heeheee |
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Posted - June 19 2006 : 4:52:42 PM
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| I completely disagree that Uncas and Alexandra had something going on. The way she and her husband looked at each other from across that dinner table contradicts the notion that she would be in love with Uncas. Also him feeling only a kinship towards Alice doesn't make sense since there was love scene filmed between them. Also in the script it specifically says that he was her "lover". |
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 Posted - June 19 2006 : 9:12:50 PM
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| I would like to add my few cents in here.....I think there might have been a "relationship" other than friendship between Uncas and Alexandra because of her comments and the look she gave from the fireplace. As for the Uncas/Alice thing, has anyone contacted Mr. Mann as to why he left out scenes that is so important to all of us ladies?.........just wonderin' |
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Posted - June 20 2006 : 09:35:00 AM
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| Believe me if I ever met Mr Mann I would be sure to ask him what happened to the Uncas/Alice scenes and demand that he release another DVD with all the footage ever shot on it. Every single piece of film needs to be included on the DVD. |
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Monadnock Guide
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Posted - June 20 2006 : 10:37:21 AM
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| This movie was about a book that was a historical novel, nothing else! It tried to play into a larger audience by including both romance and military events. Had it been all histoical, or all romance - bingo, the audience gets cut in half, - not a good idea. Why is that so tough to understand? |
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Posted - June 20 2006 : 10:50:24 AM
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| I agree with what you say MG but we want the release of a DVD with all the footage on it that was ever shot. Simple as that. |
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Posted - June 20 2006 : 10:53:09 AM
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| Yeah I know it will never happen but we can only dream can't we. Miracles do sometimes happen. |
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Posted - June 20 2006 : 5:25:18 PM
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Regarding the release of the DVD with all the footage, see the post titled 2007 that's up right now. Fitzhugh mentions a great opportunity for a 2007 mini-gathering is the F & I Ft. William Henry 250th reenactment.
It's also a great opportunity for Fox to give us the whole movie.
Anybody got any ideas how to get this off the ground?
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