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Mountain Man
Colonial Settler
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 Posted - March 05 2006 : 12:53:37 PM
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Has anyone ever wondered  if Captain Jack Winthrop and his men made it back to the settlements alive? I myself don’t think they had a snowballs chance in hell! With all those French and Hurons lurking about. No way! At least when Hawkeye and the rest of the gang arrived they had the battle that was going on as a diversion.
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Irishgirl
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Posted - March 05 2006 : 2:46:01 PM
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| I'm with you on this one Mountain Man. I would like to think that they made it safely back to the settlements but I seriously doubt it. Too much danger all around for them to have escaped safely. Their scalps are long gone I think. |
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Emily
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Posted - March 06 2006 : 6:34:16 PM
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I have wondered that myself, and yes I agree, those scalps were probably drying out in a day or so... |
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Keira
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Posted - March 07 2006 : 10:08:45 AM
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| I agree with you on this, but I`m being the optimist now and think that despite all the dangers they some how made it.. |
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Bookworm
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Posted - March 08 2006 : 08:12:46 AM
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| I'm with you, Keira. Jack and the others were experienced woodsmen, and they were given directions and advice by Hawkeye, the most expert woodsman of them all. Hawkeye acknowledged the dangers they would face but told them how best to circumvent those dangers. So I'm certain they made it! |
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Gadget Girl
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Posted - March 08 2006 : 10:39:23 AM
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| ARE YOU KIDDING ME???? JACK is my man! Of course they made it...well...perhaps a couple of the guys fell victim, but NOT JACK. Yes, I am sure also that Jack made it home! |
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Wilderness Woman
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Posted - March 08 2006 : 12:15:36 PM
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Ah, GG! You didn't disappoint me! I was waiting for you to sally forth and defend your Captain!
And I agree. How could a good woodsman with a heart so stout and true not make it through safely? Impossible, say I! |
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Fitzhugh Williams
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Posted - March 10 2006 : 12:13:48 AM
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The true story of what really happened to Jack Winthrop and the boys.
Jack Winthrop and the boys slip out of the fort and quietly make their way into the forest. They hide in the woods waiting for the sentries to pass, and after a few minutes Jack says " You know, boys, I have been thinking about things, and I think the real enemy is Monro. If he catches us, he will shoot us and hang Nathaniel. Even if we make it home, he will come after us."
One whispers, "I always said, you can't trust a Brit!"
Another adds, "And he's Scottish to boot."
"My mother used to tell me about some Scot named Taffy. Thief, sham."
"I believe he was Welch."
"Welch, Scot, they are all kilt-wearing sheep herders. My father told me never to trust a sheep herder in a kilt!"
"Well what are we going to do, Captain?"
"I have been thinking about what Nathaniel said, about making our own peace with the French. Maybe we should go to Montcalm under a flag of truce and see what he will offer us."
So Jack Winthrop and the boys take a vote and it is decided that they will follow his plan. They raise a flag of truce and approach a lone sentry. He in turn escorts them to the headquarters tent where they meet Montcalm and Bougainville.
Montcalm greets them warmly. "Mes chers amis! It is so good to see you when you are not behind a fusil trying to shoot me! What may I do for you?"
Jack lays out the situation to Montcalm who listens intently. Then he says "Soon Fort William Henry will be ours, then Fort Edward, then Albany. We will have need of a loyal militia to protect our land from the incursions of the Anglais. I will make you a capitaine in the Milice of good King Louis, and all of your men will become subjects of New France. I will call you enemy no more!"
Jack says, "We will accept your generous offer, sir. Vive le Roi!"
So Jack and the boys become loyal sons of Onontio, and smoke the peace pipe with Magua, the Abenaki, and the Ottawa. Their homes and families are in danger no more, and they all live happily ever after. And if you look carefully at the scene where the British are marching out of Fort William Henry, you can see them in the French lines, standing just to the left of the silver trailer.
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Seamus
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Posted - March 10 2006 : 06:08:55 AM
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Move over, Sarge.......you have just been replaced as the resident story-teller!
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in a well preserved body,
but rather to skid in sideways,
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'...holy sh*t ...what a ride!'
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Mountain Man
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Posted - March 10 2006 : 7:41:54 PM
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Originally posted by Fitzhugh Williams
The true story of what really happened to Jack Winthrop and the boys.
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Wilderness Woman
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Posted - March 14 2006 : 12:37:07 PM
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Gasp!
Gadget Girl!! Do you see what they are saying about your man? I'm surprised you haven't come to his defense yet.
Captain Jack Winthrop, that good and honest man who only wants to be allowed to take care of and protect his family... a turncoat? A traitor to the Crown? Falling in with the Frogs???
I think not!  That is not in Jack's character! |
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Gadget Girl
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Posted - March 14 2006 : 1:27:00 PM
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Naw, I saw it WW! You know how those Fran-say traders are...infected with the sickness of thinking ever'body wants to play on THEIR team.
Jack made it home just fine to make sure *I* was OK and not "snatched" by those infamous Huron runners!! |
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Fitzhugh Williams
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Posted - March 14 2006 : 1:31:26 PM
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| My good woman (wilderness, that is), Jack Winthrop would merely have become enlightened to the evils of le Anglais, in much the same way as George Washington did some years later, and allied hiself with the French, as did Washington, Franklin, Adams, etc. Jack was just ahead of his time. A true pioneer. |
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Wilderness Woman
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Posted - March 14 2006 : 3:45:57 PM
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And Jack will become totally enlightened! But not for another 17 or 18 years! He will remember that a Scottish Colonel in His Majesty's Service would not allow the Colonial Militia to return home when their families were in danger, and this memory will fester. Then, and only then, will he join with Washington and the others to become a true Patriot! And, by the way, he will wonder mightily just why his new country chooses to ally itself to le "Fran-say"!
For now, though, he has gone home and continues to hack a living out of the wilderness with his own two hands... |
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Fitzhugh Williams
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Posted - March 15 2006 : 09:34:59 AM
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| Ahhh..., WW, you just won't come over to the light side (after all the Bourbon flag was white). The next time you are at an event, quietly slip out of the Anglais camp (just like Capt. Jack) and make your way to the camp of le Français. Then see how friendly they are, and what great people. Their clothes, and manners, and life are so different. How they are friends with le Sauvauge and even join them in their dance. Once you do, you will not want to go back. In your heart you will be Français forever! |
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Seamus
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Posted - March 15 2006 : 09:59:00 AM
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| Fat chance, Fitz! |
Life's journey is not to
arrive at the grave safely
in a well preserved body,
but rather to skid in sideways,
totally worn out, shouting
'...holy sh*t ...what a ride!'
~~Mavis Leyrer, Seattle
Seamus
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Wilderness Woman
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Posted - March 15 2006 : 10:07:41 AM
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Well spoken, My Captain!
Nay, WW will do no slipping out of camp to cross over to the dark side of le Fran-say! Indeed, she will do as Capt. Jack did -- hack her living out of the wilderness alongside her man, until she also decides to put her loyalties with General Washington and become a True Patriot!
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