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richfed
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Posted - June 09 2002 :  06:53:12 AM  Show Profile  Visit richfed's Homepage  Click to see richfed's MSN Messenger address
June 9, 2002
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Good morning, Ladies & Gentlemen!

It's been a week to remember, for me; largely because of personal "issues." Anyway, I had the week off and used most of it to "tinker" with the Mohican Board.

Mohican Board Upgrades & Add-Ons:
  • Added and/or changed links to top of board
  • Added date & time
  • Set-up site navigation links at bottom of the board
  • Installed "Advanced Color Control" which allowed me to insert the old background, rather than a solid colr
  • Ammended javascript to appease, a little, users of Netscape 4
  • Added music back in
  • Add FAQ editor ... which I have used to edit! Read 'em!
  • Installed the"Active Users" modification (see FAQs) - boy, this would have been most useful during the Eric Schweig/Lizzie wars back in '99. Raise your hand if you remember this!
  • Added a Smiley Manager, to add smiles
  • Added a Hot Key editor - allows those of you familiar with html to add up to three functions to the Forum Code - on your system
  • Fixed security holes by upgrading
  • Added a Chat Room


There's a whole lot more available with these MODS [modifications] ... trouble is, they are scripted by a variety of sources and sometimes are quite difficult for a lame-brain in ASP, like me, to install. One I am working on is an Events Calendar. I almost had it yesterday, but not quite, so I removed it and am waiting on HELP! It is what it sounds like ... pretty neat, though, in that you, the "members," can add to it - making this all the more a Bulletin Board!

What's New: Ah, that Tim Cordell has been in to it again, the wiley wascal! Two things from the FWH interpreter:

From The Ramparts ... Eighth Dispatch ... a "virtual" tour of the interior of Fort William Henry

Tim Cordell Art Gallery ... Some samples of this man's work

Thank you, Tim, for your continuing contributions to enhancing this web site!

From the Mailbag: Here's a sampling of the range of questions & comments we receive over the course of any given week:

quote:
hello!! I would really like to have some information about Nathan Lee Chasing His Horse from "Dances with horses" and "The broken chain". I think he is an amazing actor and I would like to write him a letter and tell him that...do you know how I could get his address? Thank you


quote:
Hi there, I belong to a Miami Vice fan site and we are trying to send a petition to Michael Mann. Do you know of any way we can do that directly? If not, do you recommend this open letter format? Did he respond to you?

Thanks for the help.



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Posted - June 09 2002 :  06:59:52 AM  Show Profile  Visit richfed's Homepage  Click to see richfed's MSN Messenger address  Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
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Sir I know you MEAN WELL when you wrote your disclaimer about James Fenimore Cooper. However you are "In my humble opinion" going from BAD to worse. This is No fault of your own.

Its bad historical record Keeping at fault here.

I hope to correct the problems cause by my distant Relatives James Fenimore Cooper and Rev. J C who caused all of these problems so many years ago.

Your apoligy of sort compounds the problems of Never actually getting the Natives right. It never ENDS because the natives were Evolving along politcal and religious lines apart Anglo Society around them (US).

Here is what I wish you to correct in your disclaimer.

One the Stockbridge Munsee are NOT the only group that can clain to be decendents of the Mohecans. (Using the model of Muhhekan as being Hudson Valley in origin). There are as well the Munsee-Delaware tribe of Canada that share the same ancestry as the Stockbridge Munsee in America. Their Cheif is Mark Peters mpeters@munsee.on.ca

There are the "Native Mohegan" Groups that are decendents of the families grouped around Brotherstown Indians and their European/Native decendents. These natives are part of the Extended Mohegan nation that encompased Montuk, Pequoit and other native tribes under their umberella in the era dominated by the Famous Dr. Wheelock and Samson Occom. http://members.aol.com/moheganeak/ Like Myself the Ethnic diversity of the "Indian"nations was great and I can find Many such connections between European African and Native groups that span across many tribes and nations.
A simple study of the genealogy of the surname Sprague and Spragge and Spragg will surprise you. It runs a gambutt of Rhode Island Govenors to Casino and Reserve Living Natives across two nations.

Mingo\Wyondott you should have linked this tribal grouping to the Western Stockbridge nations in order to give your readers some clue that you are talking about the Historical Huron. I somehow doubt the relations were really good with the French allies and the Lene Lanape (De La Ware) after the French conversion to Catholisism. It was theDeLaware that Captured Hendriks Grandfather and traded him to the Mohecan who sent him to New France where he became a translator and sort of Diplomat to the Native nations. A comentary about the Mohecan can be found at the NEXT link about the French-Indian opinion's of the Loup or Wolf people (Mohegan).

Here is a LINK to native Mohecan Ranger Companies that accompanied Robert Rogers to Lousibourg.
http://www3.sympatico.ca/dis.general/rangers.htm

Here is the link that shows that its the Queens (Roberts) Rangers that wiped out the Mohecans (Stockbridge) indians in the American Revolution.
http://americanrevolution.org/ind3.html

(My wife family are related to the Rogers sadley enough. )

Here is a Link to the Families we married into (Sir William Johnson's in laws and Butlers Rangers)
http://www.iaw.on.ca/~awoolley/brang/brang.html

and conclude that may Mohegan\Mohecan\Stockbridge\Munsee are now part of the 6 Nations Indians as Hendrick became or Mainsteam Anglo American Culture as I am today.

Furthermore If I have your attention after ALL of THIS...
About James Fenimore Cooper.

THE FINAL say about about his works...
READ THIS...

http://webserver1.oneonta.edu/external/cooper/articles/ala/1993ala-madison.html

Who was the person that FED James Fenimore Cooper vital Native Names and Information?
People who were Native, REAL and Factual .
The mysterious Reverend J C who is hiding his real identity, who is related to J F Cooper!

Ask me and I will tell you what I know.



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Posted - June 09 2002 :  07:07:51 AM  Show Profile  Visit richfed's Homepage  Click to see richfed's MSN Messenger address  Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
still more ...

quote:
This website was designed by someone colourblind.Good grief.


quote:
I just 'found' your site today and I was pretty
impressed. These interviews, you actually talked to the people right?
Like, you met them, or talked with them via telephone? That's cool. I
think LOTM is one of the best movies I've ever seen and I particularly
like Eric Schweigh. Could you just tell me some stuff about him, I know
he's said a lot in his interviews and you've said a lot but I'm just
curious...I think he's a really nice person and I'd like to meet him but
that's not likely to happen obviously, so I'd just like to find out a
bit more about him.
I look forward to your reply,



quote:
hello,i was wondering if you could possibly send me a menu and the restaurants hours,i ate at sprits when it was still located in cherokee across from ride a wild horse,and i would like to stop by for supper on my way home from indiana,by the way is flip still hanging around? anyway,here is my address via snail mail,or you can send me a printable one via email...


quote:
First of all I'd like to praise you on the wonderful content and design of your website.

I am currently working on a US history project for high school on the subject of the Last of the Mohicans (more the book than the movie). Your site was perfect, and I got a lot of the real history behind the story, which is what I needed.

Of course I need the author of the info for my bibliography. Is there only one person who did all of the historical documents? Can I please have the names of the people/person who did them?



quote:
Can you tell me the meaning of Pickett's Charge and the meaning of the battle of gettysburg?


quote:
Howdy,
I was just readin thru your site,
Saw what you had to say about the music, and got drawn
in to it.
By the way Great job!!!!
Anyhow, I am curious, and maybe you can answer this
for me?
I thought that 'Enya' did the "main theme" , and "I
will find you" ?????
I didnt see any mention of Enya on the pages
concerning the scores.
Could you give me some light on this subject?
Would be Greatly apreciatted,
Thanks for your time,



quote:
Not sure if u will remember me. I wrote you sometime back to ask if you knew where I could get a print of the picture of that bridge in the last of the mohicans movie. I went on to a site for the Biltmore Estate and they emailed me and said that they did not have a pic of the bridge. I have tried everything. Ca
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Posted - June 09 2002 :  07:19:16 AM  Show Profile  Visit richfed's Homepage  Click to see richfed's MSN Messenger address  Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
and finally! Sure hope you poured a BIG cup of coffee this AM!

quote:
It was my intention to bid on "Killdeer". However the way I understand it, if there is a bid on the entire lot then all bids on individual items are pointless. If this is not the case please notify me A.S.P.
In addition, I find your methods strange at the very least. It has been my experience that it is one way or the other, sold as a collection or as individual pieces. I also find it odd that you are selling a knife and sheath, or powder horn and strap, as individual pieces. Come on now! Not only would it take a fool to purchase a knife without the sheath, but it would take a stoned idiot to buy just the sheath. This is gouging. Why not sell the barrel and lock from Killdeer to me and the stock to someone else.
At any rate, if all individual piece bids are not made moot by your "reported" bid for the entire collection, let me know and I'll make a reasonable bid for a rifle in God knows what condition, so you can go to your gathering and use my bid as leverage on someone who can see what he's buying.



All in a week's work! I was going to include my replies, but then this would've gotten really long!

Blast From the Past: [Through] The Eyes of Soldier #1

I am going to post some thoughts on the Gathering, but rather than do it here, I will move over to the Gathering forum - presently in danger of a hijacking! - and do it there under "Getting to know you." [Use drop-down menu - below right - to "jump over!]

Have a great weekend!

Rich
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Chris
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Hmmm... I liked that post suggesting SOMEONE must be color blind. I hadn't considered that possibility. I just thought SOMEONE had terrible taste.
My apologies.
Chris

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Dear Rich,

This collection of mail is fantastic. Sounds like it originated from a mental institution correspondence project. How in heaven's name do you even START to answer these things! I think you ought to send the one from JFC's "descendant" to Hugh MacDonald. He can groan with you.

Gayle

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I hope you found out who the Rev. J.C. is, Rich.

The service of the Stockbridge Indians during the War for Independence is quite a story. And it is amazing that so many historical threads come together at that fight in the Bronx.

~~Aim small, miss small.
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Rich,

Well, its nice to know somethings NEVER change do they??? (Also nice to know someone(s) also thought the colors were....hmm..suspect? The background is nice and cozy now...
I see the ES still makes little hearts pitter patter faster!

Sort of liked the polite requests for the ususal do my paper please...you need to direct these students to a chat room so they can all pool their small minds. On their own time.

But hey, is that the way to loose the New Member moniker or whatever to get bumped up to the next level? Use 18 emails for the update? There's a word limit? How is it that you of all people chose a forum with a word limit? Ha, Ha!

Thanks for all the news and all your hard work. Enjoyed it. And had some good laughs. (How could one forget Lizzie???? What times!)

Jo

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I should note that the author of this particular email was referring to my histories (sir?). Will I reply to his 'requests' for "corrections"?
No. I haven't the patience to walk through every myth, dream, accusation, and/or misunderstanding that floats around the internet. Not any more. I've done it too many times already.
I will say this; he repeats the same pattern as so many others. While "correcting" statements of which he has little knowledge, he proceeds to mix up several Algonquian peoples & states as fact opinions that have no supporting evidence.
The Mohican are not the Mohegan who are not the Delaware who are not the Huron. The well intentioned writer is "Never actually getting the Natives right." And the Loup, to whom the French referred, were the Delaware (Lenape).
Shared ancestry, yes - with the Delaware being the elders of the Mohicans. Now 'Sprague' is indeed a common name in the region. If only I could figure out the point of that tidbit.
"... the natives were Evolving along politcal and religious lines apart Anglo Society around them (US)."
?????? There was no independent evolution of political/religious lines among the indigenous apart from the Anglo society. They were mainstreaming into this Anglo society. ("US" ... I hope he doesn't also toss French Catholics into this group as easily as he tossed the Pequots & Lenape together.)
Finally, the mysterious Rev. J C .... hmmmmmmmmmm. Curioser and curioser.



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He certainly has an idiosyncratic way of expressing himself.

Funny thing is, I think I almost understand much of what he is talking about.

But I wouldn't want to have to explain it. At least not this late at night.

At least now I have a notion of to what "Reverend J.C." refers. The Wept of Wish-ton-Wish is dedicated to the anonymous "The Rev. J.R.C. of Br---, Pennsylvania".

~~Aim small, miss small.
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He certainly has an idiosyncratic way of expressing himself.

Funny thing is, I think I almost understand much of what he is talking about.

But I wouldn't want to have to explain it. At least not this late at night.

At least now I have a notion of to what "Reverend J.C." refers. The Wept of Wish-ton-Wish is dedicated to the anonymous "The Rev. J.R.C. of Br---, Pennsylvania".



Scott,

The problem, for me at least, is that he is dripping with some sense of assumed guilt. An apologetic tone is
muddying his points - for his ancestry, his wife's ancestry, his notion of the "Anglo" ancestry.
Perhaps I misread his letter but there seems to be a bit of the "noble redman" in his perspective - the very thing JF Cooper
has been posthumously indicted for.

Now ... the Reverend J.R.C. still remains anonymous! Who was that masked preacher???? <):)

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June 9, 2002
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Good morning, Ladies & Gentlemen!

It's been a week to remember, for me; largely because of personal "issues." Anyway, I had the week off and used most of it to "tinker" with the Mohican Board.

Mohican Board Upgrades & Add-Ons:
  • Added and/or changed links to top of board
  • Added date & time
  • Set-up site navigation links at bottom of the board
  • Installed "Advanced Color Control" which allowed me to insert the old background, rather than a solid colr
  • Ammended javascript to appease, a little, users of Netscape 4
  • Added music back in
  • Add FAQ editor ... which I have used to edit! Read 'em!
  • Installed the"Active Users" modification (see FAQs) - boy, this would have been most useful during the Eric Schweig/Lizzie wars back in '99. Raise your hand if you remember this!
  • Added a Smiley Manager, to add smiles
  • Added a Hot Key editor - allows those of you familiar with html to add up to three functions to the Forum Code - on your system
  • Fixed security holes by upgrading
  • Added a Chat Room


There's a whole lot more available with these MODS [modifications] ... trouble is, they are scripted by a variety of sources and sometimes are quite difficult for a lame-brain in ASP, like me, to install. One I am working on is an Events Calendar. I almost had it yesterday, but not quite, so I removed it and am waiting on HELP! It is what it sounds like ... pretty neat, though, in that you, the "members," can add to it - making this all the more a Bulletin Board!

What's New: Ah, that Tim Cordell has been in to it again, the wiley wascal! Two things from the FWH interpreter:

From The Ramparts ... Eighth Dispatch ... a "virtual" tour of the interior of Fort William Henry

Tim Cordell Art Gallery ... Some samples of this man's work

Thank you, Tim, for your continuing contributions to enhancing this web site!

From the Mailbag: Here's a sampling of the range of questions & comments we receive over the course of any given week:

quote:
hello!! I would really like to have some information about Nathan Lee Chasing His Horse from "Dances with horses" and "The broken chain". I think he is an amazing actor and I would like to write him a letter and tell him that...do you know how I could get his address? Thank you


quote:
Hi there, I belong to a Miami Vice fan site and we are trying to send a petition to Michael Mann. Do you know of any way we can do that directly? If not, do you recommend this open letter format? Did he respond to you?

Thanks for the help.



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Rich

The mailbag was great! What a hoot!

Diana

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I hope to correct the problems cause by my distant Relatives James Fenimore Cooper and Rev. J C who caused all of these problems so many years ago.

(My wife family are related to the Rogers sadley enough. )

Here is a Link to the Families we married into (Sir William Johnson's in laws and Butlers Rangers)

and conclude that may Mohegan\Mohecan\Stockbridge\Munsee are now part of the 6 Nations Indians as Hendrick became or Mainsteam Anglo American Culture as I am today.

Who was the person that FED James Fenimore Cooper vital Native Names and Information?
People who were Native, REAL and Factual .
The mysterious Reverend J C who is hiding his real identity, who is related to J F Cooper!




Dear Rich and All,

Once I got through all the spelling errors of the latest relative of James Fenimore Cooper (It seems your poster is related to about everybody who was anybody in Colonial America, and I must say, I would be fascinated to hear how he managed to descend from all of them via Rev. J.R.C. of Pennsylvania.), naturally I had to do some research on the dedication of The Wept of Wish Ton Wish. It is known the the Rev was an American Indian, but how he became a Rev. is a puzzle to me. I know the Moravians converted many Indians to Christianity, but I was not aware they made official ministers of any of them.

The dedication to The Wept of Wish Ton Wish, cited by the poster, is copied below, for those who have not read the book:

“The kind and disinterested manner in which you have furnished the materials of the following tale, merits a public acknowledgement. As your reluctance to appear before the world, however, imposes a restraint, you must receive such evidence of gratitude as your own prohibition will allow. Not withstanding there are so many striking and deeply interesting events in the early history of those from whom you derive your being, yet are there hundreds of other families in this country, whose traditions, though less accurately and minutely preserved than the little narrative you have submitted to my inspection, would supply the materials of many moving tales. You have every reason to exult in your descent, for, surely, if any man may claim to be a citizen and a proprietor in the Union, it is one, that, like yourself, can point to a line of ancestors, whose origin is lost in the obscurity of time. You are truly an American. In your eyes, we of a brief century or two must appear as little more than denizens quite recently admitted to the privilege of a residence. That you may continue to enjoy peace and happiness, in that land where your fathers so long flourished, is the sincere wish of your obliged friend.”

According to Susan Fenimore Cooper, in her book James Fenimore Cooper: Pages and Pictures, the concept for The Wept of Wish Ton Wish originated entirely with her father. So I wrote to Hugh MacDougall, and the following is what he had to say about the identity of “Rev. J.R.C. of Pennsylvania”:

“Both I and I expect many others have tried without success to identify the Pennsylvania Minister -- evidently an American Indian – to whom"Wept" is dedicated. I hope someday the mystery will be cleared up.

The best papers on Wept that I know of are by Bob Madison:
Madison, Robert D. (United States Naval Academy), Wish-ton-Wish: Muck or Melancholy. Sources of The Wept of Wish-ton-Wish (1829) and why Cooper called the whip-poor-will a wish-ton-wish, which is a plains Indian name for prairie dog. [1993 ALA COOPER PANEL]”

So, my question is, how does your poster know he is descended from JRC if nobody has ever been able to find out who JRC is?

Note: According to Susan Cooper, JFC appropriated the name of “wish-ton-wish” and only later discovered it was an incorrect translation. By then it was too late to correct it, as the novel had already been published.

Gayle





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Posted - June 11 2002 :  9:39:42 PM  Show Profile  Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
Maybe he has the family Bible. ;)

My local paper had the following story yesterday:

American Indians battle for recognition: Two groups at odds over ancestry claims

I'm not sure why they chose to run it right now, since it's an ongoing story, but it is amazing to think that tribal identity (not to mention many potential millions in gaming profits) may rest on an unnamed daughter of an Indian woman in the 1823 census. Then there's the land claims.

BTW, I may have missed it, but I didn't see the writer make the claim that he was related to all those folks through the Rev. J.C..

~~Aim small, miss small.
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