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richfed
Sachem
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 Posted - January 04 2004 : 08:41:00 AM
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I wish to personally apologize for any and all rudeness or disrespect shown toward any of you who participate here ... I wish we could all remember why we are here.
Rich
PS - If the lights flicker later today, it's because I am doing some Mohican Board alterations. More than likely, you won't even know!
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SgtMunro
Soldier of the King
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Posted - January 04 2004 : 09:13:30 AM
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Sachem, I can not see where you have been disrespectful. If anything you are passionate about your beliefs (no mea culpa needed for that) and you reinforce your debate(s) with the facts. Sounds very sensible and respectful to me, no apology needed.
Your Most Humble Servant,
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Capt. Thos. Graham's Coy.
42nd Royal Highland Regiment of Foote
(The Black Sheep of the Black Watch)
"Nemo Me Impune Lacessit"
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Theresa
Bumppo's Tavern Proprietress
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Posted - January 04 2004 : 09:58:28 AM
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| Sounds like I've been wise in shying away from controversial subjects....I have no idea what you're talking about, Rich. As for me, I know why I'm here and it's because I love this place and find it a wonderful escape from the daily grind...plus, there's a whole multitude of friends that I've found and for that I'm very grateful. Happy Trails! |
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Carter
Colonial Militia
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Posted - January 04 2004 : 12:17:25 PM
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| I haven't noticed any rudeness either but you are right we should remember why we are here. Life is too short. |
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Kaylynn44
Mohicanite
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Posted - January 04 2004 : 8:21:44 PM
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Hi Rich,
You definitely don't need to apologize for anything. I personally haven't been offended by anything that has been said, but sometimes it is better to stay out of the controversial subjects!!! Thanks for being the patient, wise, warm-hearted person that you are. We are all lucky to have you as our fearless leader!!!
Kay |
~ An Infinite Zephyr~
Some things never end
As long as goodness exists
Winds shall always soothe
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richfed
Sachem
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Posted - January 05 2004 : 06:29:45 AM
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Originally posted by SgtMunro
Sachem, I can not see where you have been disrespectful. If anything you are passionate about your beliefs (no mea culpa needed for that) and you reinforce your debate(s) with the facts. Sounds very sensible and respectful to me, no apology needed.
Didn't necessarily mean me, Sarge. Though I may have, to my knowledge no one has been offended by anything I've said lately.
Over the past couple of months - I guess? - several people have made it known they were upset. I take some seriously; some less so ...
It's just that the deeper conversations get into creed, culture, and religion - the core of who we are, really - the more likely it is that someone's toes will get stepped on, resulting in a "kilt in a wad," [or a "wad in a kilt"? - sorry ...  ] or something.
I just want it known - clearly - that unless I say it, it doesn't necessarily mean I endorse any statements made here. Folks are free to state their stance on these types of issues - in The Light In The Forest forums, but do so at their own risk. It's a private wrestling match I am having with myself!  Great fun! |
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SgtMunro
Soldier of the King
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Posted - January 05 2004 : 08:57:34 AM
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Fair 'nuff, Sachem. I must have misread your original post. Although I do have to admit it did confuse me, I can't remember a time when you were even close to being insulting. You usually assume the role of mediator between sparing partners. These folks are, for the most part, over 18. If any apology is required, it should be exchanged between the affected parties (I usually find that it solves most greviences).
As far as folks being upset, unless it has to do with board format or something you personally said, I do not see why they bother you with it. "Come on people, if you got a problem with another person, then you should air your complaints to the person(s) in question." Most disagreements usually start as a misunderstanding.
As far as differences in opinion, well there isn't much that can be done with that. "People are just people", as a veteran cop told me once years ago, "and every now and then, they just need to lock horns". Now my views are somewhat contraversial at times (I know, "Say it isn't so, Sarge"), and I do find some others to be also, but that is what makes our society great. Freedom is measured by the amount of dissent (or unconventional thinking) that a society allows. As I have said many times in the past, "I may not agree with what you have to say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."
It is really easy to agree with the majority opinion, but a truly great mind can find logical (not emotional or 'feel good') arguments for the 'other side'. Our country is not one of where 'majority rules', and thank God for that, because it were, then some laws like the 1964 Civil Rights Act would have never been passed.
In closing, please allow me to address those agrieved parties:
"Listen up people, the 'Lion's Den Forum' is for the exchange and debate of ideas. As the name implies, it is not where you are feed milk and honey while your ego is massaged. If you have a view, and can present your argument, go ahead, but be prepared to defend against counter-points raised. If you are unable to support your beliefs, or find it 'offensive' or 'mean spirited' if someone has the 'unmitagated audacity' to disagree with you, then you most truly are sorry."
Thanks Sachem, I just had to get that off of my chest...
Your Most Humble Servant,
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Serjeant-Major Duncan Munro
Capt. Thos. Graham's Coy.
42nd Royal Highland Regiment of Foote
(The Black Sheep of the Black Watch)
"Nemo Me Impune Lacessit"
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Lainey
TGAT
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Posted - January 05 2004 : 09:24:26 AM
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It is really easy to agree with the majority opinion, but a truly great mind can find logical (not emotional or 'feel good') arguments for the 'other side'. Our country is not one of where 'majority rules', and thank God for that, because it were, then some laws like the 1964 Civil Rights Act would have never been passed.
In closing, please allow me to address those agrieved parties:
"Listen up people, the 'Lion's Den Forum' is for the exchange and debate of ideas. As the name implies, it is not where you are feed milk and honey while your ego is massaged. If you have a view, and can present your argument, go ahead, but be prepared to defend against counter-points raised. If you are unable to support your beliefs, or find it 'offensive' or 'mean spirited' if someone has the 'unmitagated audacity' to disagree with you, then you most truly are sorry."
Well said, Sgt.! The greatest compliment the 'Lion's Den' has received is that there are often more posts about it than within it.
[P.S. If I were to head to the Pitts. PA region to visit Doc Mary, you wouldn't arrest me, would you? ] |
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SgtMunro
Soldier of the King
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Posted - January 05 2004 : 11:53:37 AM
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[P.S. If I were to head to the Pitts. PA region to visit Doc Mary, you wouldn't arrest me, would you?]
If you ever do decide to come up and visit Doc, and you are flying in through Greater Pittsburgh International Airport (which would put you pretty close to Doc Mary's home), drop me an e-mail and I might be able to help your party meet you with less hassle.
Your Most Humble Servant,
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Serjeant-Major Duncan Munro
Capt. Thos. Graham's Coy.
42nd Royal Highland Regiment of Foote
(The Black Sheep of the Black Watch)
"Nemo Me Impune Lacessit"
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Wilderness Woman
Watcher of the Wood
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Posted - January 05 2004 : 1:02:52 PM
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Originally posted by SgtMunro
If you have a view, and can present your argument, go ahead, but be prepared to defend against counter-points raised.
Very true, Sarge. However, there is a definite difference between "defending against counter-points raised" and feeling the need to hide behind trees and boulders in order to dodge the cuttingly sarcastic remarks and the poison-tipped insults that are poorly disguised as return fire.
What were the two words Rich used up there? Rudeness and disrespect. These are what need to be eliminated. It is possible to carry on a healthy and informative debate without being mean and nasty. I know, because some of us have done it!
And having said that... I truly hope I have not offended anyone! Look! See? No fingers being pointed!
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Christina
Deerslayer
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Posted - January 05 2004 : 4:02:57 PM
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Wilderness Woman, you said exactly what I wanted to say.
It also might help if some folks remembered that just because people disagree with them and are willing to defend these dissenting points of view, does not mean they (meaning the person doing the disagreeing) are wrong, immoral, etc. etc. for doing so. I'm perfectly willing to listen to and participate in a bracing, no-holds barred discussion, for instance, but when people seem to question my morality, intelligence, worth, etc. because I hold certain viewpoints different from theirs, that's when things get dodgy. The key word is respect, folks, Wilderness Woman hit it on the head.
Christina
p.s. and I hereby apologize if I've offended or otherwise disgruntled anybody in recent weeks. Been going through the latest in a long series of hard times, hope it didn't rub off on my fellow Mohicanlanders. |
See this face? This is the face of a woman on the edge.
Whoopi Goldberg, "Jumping Jack Flash"
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Lainey
TGAT
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Posted - January 06 2004 : 09:02:02 AM
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If you ever do decide to come up and visit Doc, and you are flying in through Greater Pittsburgh International Airport (which would put you pretty close to Doc Mary's home), drop me an e-mail and I might be able to help your party meet you with less hassle.
Shall do, Sarge!
And remember, folks, chivalry begins at home!!! 
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chasis_22
Colonial Settler
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Posted - February 17 2004 : 11:56:06 AM
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I can personally say that I have never noticed any rude behavior on here but that could possibly be because I hardly come here anymore. I read over almost all of the posts and polls and see a closeness between many of the people here. Unfortunately, I myself have felt as if I do not belong here anymore. It's hard to explain and no insult or hurt is intended so please forgive if I come off in any way as rude...for this is not my intent.
Many of you have met at previous gatherings and formed bonds with each other. Since my first visit here I have tried to fit in and get to know everyone. I made plans to be at this years gathering but due to personal problems I am unable to attend. I appologize for not telling you this sooner Rich but things have kept my visits here at a bare minimum. My heart is sad at the thought of not being a part of this gathering which would have been my first. When I first signed up I was terrified at the thought of being with a group of people who, for the most part, already knew each other. Rich you have tried to give me comfort by reminding me that at the first gathering no one knew each other and through the gatherings have become better aquainted with one another. Still my fears were unchanged and got the best of me. I wanted to attend the gathering and get over my fear but as I said before, personal problems have prevented this.
I do not know when I will return to this site again but I had to let you all know that it is not because of the people or the site itself. I have always felt like a fly on the wall and do not feel that the absence of myself here would be noticed. I hope to one day return here under better circumstances and maybe someday attend one of the gatherings. I hope you all enjoy the gathering this year and make it one to remember. I hope this goodbye is not one that will be forever. |
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Kaylynn44
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Posted - February 17 2004 : 12:17:45 PM
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Hi Rachel,
It's a shame that you won't be able to come to the Gathering. It will be my first Gathering too, and I am really looking forward to going. Try not to be too much of a stranger to the board. You are right, the people here are great, and that is what makes me feel so comfortable about meeting everyone in June.
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~ An Infinite Zephyr~
Some things never end
As long as goodness exists
Winds shall always soothe
www.cloudsbooks.com
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richfed
Sachem
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Posted - February 17 2004 : 12:42:20 PM
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| There are new folks every year, Rachel. Most of them fit right in & feel comfortable by the end of the first day. It is not - by any means - a closed event. There'll be quite a few "first-timers" this year ... sorry to hear you won't be among them! |
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Fitz Williams
Colonial Militia
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Posted - February 17 2004 : 1:34:04 PM
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In the words of that great American, Rodney King, "Can't we all just get along?"
What more can anyone say? |
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Theresa
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Posted - February 17 2004 : 6:18:56 PM
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Rachel,
The first Gathering we went to was the fourth or fifth one (I forget). So, there were people there who had known each other for at least four years. Claude and I knew nobody...BUT, everybody there made us feel like we had always been a part of the group and there are friends here that I consider life-long...heck, we get together when there's not a Gathering to get to. So, please stick around. I'm sorry to hear circumstances won't allow you to enjoy this event.  |
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chasis_22
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Posted - February 18 2004 : 11:36:51 AM
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Thank you all for your understanding and comforting words. I am very glad to be a part of this site. I am still very sad that I will not be among the group for the gathering. I just hope that next year there will be one and if so, I will make it a point to be there. I appreciate all of your support and kindness. And even though I will not be attending the gathering I still expect details from all of you!!! Thanks again.
Rachel |
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