Re: Tecumseh

Posted by Jayne on June 19, 1999 at 17:08:14:

In Reply to: Re: Tecumseh posted by Champ on June 19, 1999 at 16:18:33:

: : one thing that *might've* made a difference (& certiantly would've been different than the War Between The States) is *if* the British had thrown their full-weight behind Tecumseh.

: : Actually, Champ, that seems to me to be MUCH like the war between the States, in a way. Just like the South anxiously hoped for European support, so too could one more great victory had perhaps swayed the Brits to fully enter the fray ... after all, the War of 1812 seems a half-hearted one, at best, on their part. If a fully united Indian confederacy was teamed with the British to stop American expansion ... who knows?

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: >Rich ---

: in someways you have a point, but the British actually had troops near-by & promised to help Tecumseh, and then turned their backs on him when his runners sent word for them to join his forces.
: In fact it seems they betrayed him.

: The South only had the *hope* that the British (navy) would support them.

: My point though really was that in terms of success, it seems that Pontiac came closer to *victory* than Tecumseh.
: He had the Brits on the run & o/r bottled up nicely, if it hadnt been for the 42nd & 77th Highlanders (& Rogers Rangers) amongst others at Bushy Run, who knows, it was a near thing.
: Of course Pontiac was also under an illusion that the French would throw in their support as well.

: I still think that Pontiac tends to be eclipsed by Tecumseh, though both got their due in that wonderful History channel series "Frontiers".

: "Champ"

Rich and Champ,

Thanks for your comments. To add my simplistic ones - I think it was inevitable that even with a united tribal effort the result of the Indian wars would have been the same for the tribes. Even if the British had supported them and won over the Americans, what then? I really doubt that the British would have treated the tribes any better. As Rich said, maybe things would have been delayed.

It does seem that Pontiac and Tecumseh had the same vision of unification. Perhaps Tecumseh's was more far-reaching than Pontiac's. Of course, this extensive recruiting and his absence from Prophet's Town is what ruined his dream in the end.

Rich, the museum at Prophet's Town isn't finished yet but things are starting to happen there. Visit www.prophetstown.org for the details. Another great place for history is Conner Prairie which is a reconstructed village based on John Conner (an early settler/trader near Indianapolis). He was married to a Delaware and had seven children. She left in 1820 during removal to OK and he stayed, remarried (a white woman, three MONTHS later) and had another huge family. Until recently very little was emphasized re his Delaware wife or life as a trader. Go to www.connerprairie.org for an extensive site. I'm not sure it mentions that next year there will be a Delaware village and trading post, too. We don't have mountains but there might be something here to prompt a visit! (Besides car racing!)

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: :  : one thing that *might've* made a difference (& certiantly would've been different than the War Between The States) is *if* the British had thrown their full-weight behind Tecumseh. 

: : : Actually, Champ, that seems to me to be MUCH like the war between the States, in a way. Just like the South anxiously hoped for European support, so too could one more great victory had perhaps swayed the Brits to fully enter the fray ... after all, the War of 1812 seems a half-hearted one, at best, on their part. If a fully united Indian confederacy was teamed with the British to stop American expansion ... who knows?

: : 
: : >Rich ---

: : in someways you have a point, but the British actually had troops near-by & promised to help Tecumseh, and then turned their backs on him when his runners sent word for them to join his forces.
: : In fact it seems they betrayed him.

: : The South only had the *hope* that the British (navy) would support them.

: : My point though really was that in terms of success, it seems that Pontiac came closer to *victory* than Tecumseh.
: : He had the Brits on the run & o/r bottled up nicely, if it hadnt been for the 42nd & 77th Highlanders (& Rogers Rangers) amongst others at Bushy Run, who knows, it was a near thing.
: : Of course Pontiac was also under an illusion that the French would throw in their support as well. 

: : I still think that Pontiac tends to be eclipsed by Tecumseh, though both got their due in that wonderful History channel series "Frontiers".

: : "Champ"

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: Rich and Champ,

: Thanks for your comments.  To add my simplistic ones - I think it was inevitable that even with a united tribal effort the result of the Indian wars would have been the same for the tribes.  Even if the British had supported them and won over the Americans, what then?  I really doubt that the British would have treated the tribes any better.  As Rich said, maybe things would have been delayed. 

: It does seem that Pontiac and Tecumseh had the same vision of unification.  Perhaps Tecumseh's was more far-reaching than Pontiac's.  Of course, this extensive recruiting and his absence from Prophet's Town is what ruined his dream in the end.

: Rich, the museum at Prophet's Town isn't finished yet but things are starting to happen there.  Visit www.prophetstown.org for the details.  Another great place for history is Conner Prairie which is a reconstructed village based on John Conner (an early settler/trader near Indianapolis).  He was married to a Delaware and had seven children.  She left in 1820 during removal to OK and he stayed, remarried (a white woman, three MONTHS later) and had another huge family.  Until recently very little was emphasized re his Delaware wife or life as a trader.  Go to www.connerprairie.org for an extensive site.  I'm not sure it mentions that next year there will be a Delaware village and trading post, too.  We don't have mountains but there might be something here to prompt a visit!  (Besides car racing!)


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