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Ilse
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 Posted - June 22 2002 : 8:23:57 PM
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Okay GG, this deserves a thread, and will wait until you are back from the gathering, but in the meantime:
Gadget girl wrote:
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And it's a big one. Am I alone in thinking that the US is beyond arrogant in talking about invading Iraq? I am aware of great concerns of the machinations of Sodamn Insane , but won't this add too much oxygen to an already simmering spark about US Anti-Islamic sentiment. Most Arab countries still support Hussien's right to lead his country. The can of worms is now open - care to comment???
You are certainly not alone in that. An overwhelming portion of the European Union agrees to that. Not because we fancy Saddam so much, but because we fear what comes from it.
The Gulf War, in my opinion, put the momentum in the extremist Islamic movements all over the place. This is obvious if you study the rise of someone like Usama Bin Ladin, whose main beef seems to be American (read: kafir) troops in the Holy Land and the ruling royal family in Saudi Arabia.
Furthermore, in that war the US tremendously betrayed the anti-Saddam movement within Iraq, so they will not be very eager to cooperate again.
An attack on Iraq may be supported by the, mostly, very undemocratic regimes in the Middle East, but will be condemned by their citizens, who will lionize Saddam. Just look at Pakistan.
Apart from that, and without making any excuses for the Iraqi regime, is there any evidence connecting it to the 911 attacks?
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Bea
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Posted - June 26 2002 : 12:04:21 AM
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Ilse, I missed your post..Sorry about that, but the World Cup is still keeping me occupied and sleep deprived..Not tomention the sweltering heat that is besieging my province..Fires are breaking out everywhere..
Interesting question you have...It would be handy to see some proof.
Canadians don't fancy Saddam Hussein either, but so far it is unlikely that we would favour any attack on Iraq. On one of my very few visits to a cafe I made the acquaintance of an Iraqi girl, Nadeen, who was working there. It was absolutely fascinating to hear her point of view. Put it this way: Not too many people like Saddam Hussein but they fear him and due to his power are unable to do anything. Nadeen and her family were able to leave the country but still fear for the family they left behind who now has to suffer the consequences. Needless to say they don't want their country to be attacked. Who would suffer the most are the people.People like you and I. Not SH. Nadeen's house was bombed 15 times. I strongly believe that another solution needs to be found to rid this country and the world of SH. Why punish the people, bomb their homes if they are already suffering enough??? Hearing Nadeen's personal account and also her parents sure gave me food for thought..
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Ilse
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richfed
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Posted - October 19 2002 : 07:13:29 AM
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Originally posted by Anthony:
well......... i brought this 'Great' buried thread back...cause now the....**EVIDENCE IS PILING UP** no??????????????????
Way to go, Anth!!! We agree!
The danger, to me, is clear & imminent. Saddam MUST go. Negotiations & understanding do not work with the demented. We CAN pray, but strong action must accompany our prayer ...
GWB, said in his speech, way back in September, 2001:
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Our war on terror begins with al Qaeda, but it does not end there.
It will not end until every terrorist group of global reach has been found, stopped and defeated.
We can do nothing, or we can remove the danger. I trust President Bush A LOT more than I do any terrorist-sponsoring head of State ... The World cannot even dream of peace while these Islamic extremists [and, in Saddam's case, purely insane], full of their hatred of the western World, are hell-bent on destroying it. Think of it: Men in planes willing to die to kill innocents. Suicide bombers. Saddam. These folks know no bounds. They know no humanity.
Who's willing to wait for them to act next? We must strike hard & often, wherever they show their ugly heads ... it's all they understand. |
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SgtMunro
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Posted - October 19 2002 : 1:29:12 PM
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Anthony, my brother, even a warrior wishes for peace (I know this first hand from my own life experience), but sometimes this is not possible. Most human beings, at least in our country, are fair, just, carring and compassionate. Just like pastoral sheep, they only wish to live their lives and raise their families. But others, like Hussein, AlQueda, et.al., are the proveribal wolves on the hunt. These inhuman types enjoy nothing more than causing pain and suffering to the herd. This is where the sheepdog steps in, the examples are the police and military, this noble breed's main purpose is the protection of the innocent from evil. Like the wolf, the sheepdog is capable of taking life. Unlike him, the sheepdog knows RIGHT from WRONG. So as abhorrent the taking of human life is to us, it sometimes becomes necessary. I hope this helps somewhat...
Your Humble Servant,
Sgt. Duncan Munro
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wpmacleod
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Posted - October 19 2002 : 3:37:08 PM
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"Those who fail to learn the lessons of history are doomed to repeat them." (George Santayana)
Just before the American Revolution, there were many well-considered men who preached "peace in our time." Apparently, they were willing to bequeath war upon their sons and daughters so that they could remain comfortable in the here and now.
The United States, as the only nation to survive World War I in any shape to defend itself, stood by as Hitler's Germany rebuilt its military and started chipping out little pieces of Europe; doing nothing, under the label of "appeasement." We, along with most of the world, paid for that error in yet another and more costly war, World War II.
Now we are again being urged to sit back quietly because our "allies" and others -- both at home and abroad -- urge the U.S. to do nothing about the clearly malignant presence and building threat of Iraq. Easy prediction: When Iraq DOES decide to use its weapons, guess who the attacked allies (or others) will expect to haul their chestnuts out of the fire again? Ya. The very people (U.S.) who warned them of the threat and offered to nip it in the bud. And at whose expense? (You only get one guess at that one.)
I wouldn't mind so much, but this seems very much the case of an opportunity to prevent a costly and protracted conflict as per the above two examples (and countless other historical parallels). The only alternative to a preemptive strike is a more expensive war, in terms of both cash and casualties.
… Or does anyone actually believe that Sadam Hussien is NOT building weapons and, as soon as he’s ready, will not use them?
Oh, and in case there’s anyone out there who thinks the U.N. inspections will be effective, I have a bridge I’d like to sell you…
“… But that’s just my opinion, I could be wrong.” (Dennis Miller)
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securemann
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Posted - October 19 2002 : 4:25:20 PM
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The surrounding Arab nations should all get together and oust the renegade muslim Hussein by themselves.This would spare our military the heartache of numerous casualties.Fat chance I know,they don't want to get their robes too dirty.
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Ilse
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Posted - October 19 2002 : 5:15:44 PM
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Securemann: That's a post I am in total agreement with. Unfortunately, oil interests will guarantee their robes will remain clean.
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securemann
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Posted - October 19 2002 : 10:04:31 PM
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I am proud to be an American and would fight for this great nation.Now,during the Persian Gulf War,many of our Christian soldiers ran into a problem.They had to remove the crosses from their necks and relinquish their bibles so they would not offend the Saudis and the folks in Kuwait.Now comes the problem of God or Country.By relinquishing the items of your faith equates apostasy.The Arabs had the audacity to say give up Christ and die for us (oil).Well court marshall me and lock me up.It would not take me long to make a decision.Now,how would I be classified? Hero or coward? Will this choice happen to our soldiers again? What would you do if you were a believing Christian and given this ultimatum?
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SgtMunro
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Posted - October 20 2002 : 10:40:05 PM
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Securemann,
I do recall that act of compliance with Islam, the religion of peace, I managed to fool those animals by wearing my St. Michaels Medal (You know the patron saint of paratroopers, Hooo-yahhh).
Sgt. Duncan Munro
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SgtMunro
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Posted - October 20 2002 : 10:42:28 PM
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wpmacleod,
I enjoyed your post tremendously, and I agree with you 100%. It is refreshing to see an argument based on logic, instead of "feelings". Bravo!!!!! Good Show!!!!!!
Sgt. Duncan Munro
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Lainey
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Posted - October 24 2002 : 02:04:02 AM
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The surrounding Arab nations should all get together and oust the renegade muslim Hussein by themselves.This would spare our military the heartache of numerous casualties.Fat chance I know,they don't want to get their robes too dirty.
Hussein isn't a renegade Muslim. He's not religious at all. He's very secular, in fact, though he does go through the motions of prayer at the mosque when advantageous. He's a thug, an assassin, a mass murderer, a paranoid Stalin imitator/emulator. He terrorizes the Iraqi people & the Kurds, as well as his Arab & Persian neighbors. There's no question he has chemical/biological weapons of mass destruction & will use them given the opportunity. He's already been tied to an assassination plan against Pres. Bush Senior, & he's in violation of agreements made when ceasing the Persian Gulf War. Therefore, a US or UN attack against Iraq is not a pre-emptive strike. By world/UN standards & "rule" an attack is justifiable. It remains questionable from a moral standpoint, not a political one.
As for Arab nations sparing the US military casualties; why would they do that? They're not guardians of US servicemen ...
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I am proud to be an American and would fight for this great nation.Now,during the Persian Gulf War,many of our Christian soldiers ran into a problem.They had to remove the crosses from their necks and relinquish their bibles so they would not offend the Saudis and the folks in Kuwait.Now comes the problem of God or Country.By relinquishing the items of your faith equates apostasy.The Arabs had the audacity to say give up Christ and die for us (oil).Well court marshall me and lock me up.It would not take me long to make a decision.Now,how would I be classified? Hero or coward? Will this choice happen to our soldiers again? What would you do if you were a believing Christian and given this ultimatum?
Yes, Jim! We (US government) sold our souls to the devil on that one. Our servicemen/servicewomen were ordered to commit apostasy ... incredible, incredible, incredible.
Pax Americana ~
The Saudis had the audacity to make the demand; US military commanders committed the sin of compliance.
Render unto Ceasar that which belongs to Ceasar; render unto God that which belongs to God.
A throwback to the early days of the Church & the arenas of waiting lions - you think?
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Posted - December 07 2002 : 10:34:46 PM
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I'm really suspicious of Bush's motives in wanting to start a war with Iraq. First it was because of weapons of mass destruction, then it was because of a possibe link with terrorists, and now it seems to be about regime change.
North Korea has admitted to having weapons of mass destruction, but I don't see the US foaming at the mouth to invade it. As for terrorists, many other countries have at least as strong, or stronger links to terrorism. From what I've read, Saddam is a vicious and despicable character, but there are many other despots in the world who oppress there own people, and who's regimes are in need of changing.
Why a war with Iraq? Why now? The US seems hellbent on a war no matter what the UN inspectors do or don't find. Bush says that he'll go in with or without the UN. And he doesn't know why so many countries hatethe US and think it arrogant? I'm from Australia, and my Prime Minister is a one man Bush support society when it comes to Iraq. Most Australians are much more cynical, with good reason in my opinion.
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