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Lainey
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Posted - March 21 2003 :  5:30:09 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote  Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
Two questions;

1) Regarding recent "French military debacles;" - how come the French fighter members of the alliance during the Persian Gulf *victory* doesn't make the list?

2) Would the "allies" have "liberated" Kuwait if they grew potatoes?

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Posted - March 21 2003 :  5:35:30 PM  Show Profile  Click to see Bea's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote  Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
I am very glad that you don't keep silent and consequently create awareness that is desperately needed- and not only in the US.


Okay , so you don't wanna be a prez how about Prime Minsiter of Canada???? :)

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Posted - March 21 2003 :  5:51:01 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote  Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
Hey C.T. Ranger,

Have you considered perhaps changing your avatar? He looks too much like Hans Bliz for my taste! Hope it's ok to insert a little humor here.

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Posted - March 21 2003 :  7:48:29 PM  Show Profile  Visit Ilse's Homepage  Send Ilse a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote  Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
Have some fuzzy memories here from high school history lessons, but didn't France support and finance heavily the American revolution? Would there be a USA of today without France?????

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Posted - March 21 2003 :  8:34:22 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote  Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
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Originally posted by Ilse

Have some fuzzy memories here from high school history lessons, but didn't France support and finance heavily the American revolution? Would there be a USA of today without France?????

Yes, I believe that someone in this discussion pointed out the fact that France had been our friend and ally since the American Revolutionary War, when they did provide some help. They have been amply repaid with both money and blood.

That's a history of 225 years of friendship, without a break that I can think of... until now. That's why it has a tendency to sting a bit.
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Posted - March 21 2003 :  8:35:22 PM  Show Profile  Click to see Bea's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote  Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
Well, my memory is just as fuzzy but Father Francis Ebner ( who still has the American citizenship) mentioned the same fact to me a few days ago..

Lainey,Father sends his regards and has been praying for your little Sophia.. Here is to hoping that the both of you will one day meet this amazing 87 year old man! He is still so sharp..

Ilse, he still remembers you too!!!

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quote:
Hope it's ok to insert a little humor here.


Always, Theresa.

{Bea, please thank Father Ebner & give him my sincerest regards. Also, if he would ... Sophia's scheduled for surgery this Wednesday. The whole shebang; nissen fundoplication (stomach/esophagus wrap) & a gastrostomy (g-tube). After a ENT exam, a barrium/swallow test, & a PH probe it's clear she's still refluxing too much. She'll be better off for it, and closer to home.}

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Posted - March 21 2003 :  9:55:31 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote  Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
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Originally posted by Theresa

Hey C.T. Ranger,

Have you considered perhaps changing your avatar? He looks too much like Hans Bliz for my taste! Hope it's ok to insert a little humor here.




Yeah I guess it does kind look like Hans Bliz. It's not the best pic of Homer Jay but it's the only one available.

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Posted - March 23 2003 :  3:44:34 PM  Show Profile  Visit Ilse's Homepage  Send Ilse a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote  Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
WW, as far as I am concerned, American France bashing is equally as irrational as French America bashing.

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Posted - March 23 2003 :  7:10:59 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote  Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
Regarding the French and their "support" during the American War of Independence:

Our agents were indeed highly successful in capitalizing on French enmity toward the British.

However, it was an uneasy relationship.

I'm sure I don't have to supply the reasons for this to LOTM fans!

What no one has yet mentioned is the fact that we were engaged in conflict with the French within a generation. And it had to do with that characteristic French arrogance:

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France had been America's major ally in the War of Independence, and without its assistance the United States may not have won independence. But the new government of Revolutionary France viewed a 1794 commercial agreement between the United States and Great Britain, known as Jay's Treaty, as a violation of France's 1778 treaties with the United States. The French increased their seizures of American ships trading with their British enemies and refused to receive a new United States minister when he arrived in Paris in December 1796. In his annual message to Congress at the close of 1797, President John Adams reported on France's refusal to negotiate and spoke of the need "to place our country in a suitable posture of de- fense."10 In April of 1798 President Adams informed Congress of the infamous "X Y Z Affair," in which French agents demanded a large bribe for the restoration of relations with the United States. Outraged by this affront to national honor, on 27 April 1798 Congress authorized the President to acquire, arm, and man no more than twelve vessels, of up to twenty-two guns each. Under the terms of this act several vessels were purchased and converted into ships of war. One of these, the Ganges, a Philadelphia-built merchant ship, became "the first man-of- war to fit out and get to sea [24 May 1798] under the second organization of the Navy."11


In March 1798, overworked Secretary of War James McHenry brought before Congress the problem of his responsibility for naval affairs. Naval administration had become a significant portion of his department's work, as it had for the Department of the Treasury, which oversaw all the Navy's contracting and disbursing. The Department of War also had received congressional criticism for what was seen as the mismanagement and the exces- sive cost of the naval construction program. In addition, the growing trouble with the French induced Congress to authorize an increase in the size of the navy and raised the possibility that the navy would be called on to confront French privateers.


In response to the obvious need for an executive department responsible solely for, and staffed with persons competent in, naval affairs, Congress passed a bill establishing the Department of the Navy. President John Adams signed the historic act on 30 April 1798. Benjamin Stoddert, a Maryland merchant who had served as secretary to the Continental Board of War during the American Revolution, became the first secretary of the navy. One historian writes that Stoddert "was a classic Navalist" who "desired an American navy which could, not only protect commerce, but which would increase American prestige."12


On 28 May Congress authorized the public vessels of the United States to capture armed French vessels hovering off the coast of the United States, initiating an undeclared Quasi-War with France. That conflict led to the rapid passage of several pieces of naval legislation. An act of 30 June gave the President authority to accept ships on loan from private citizens, who would be paid in interest-bearing government bonds. On 9 July Congress authorized U.S. naval vessels to capture armed French vessels anywhere on the high seas, not just off the coast of the United States. This act also sanctioned the issuance of priva- teering commissions. Two days later, the president signed the act that established th

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Posted - March 24 2003 :  01:02:10 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote  Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
That damned French Revolution again.

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Two days later, the president signed the act that established the United States Marine Corps. On 16 July Congress appropriated funds to build and equip the three remaining frigates begun under the Act of 1794



The origins of a long standing American tradition; the US Marines!
Interesting article, Scott.

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Posted - March 24 2003 :  1:13:28 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote  Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
That may be the origin of the United States Marine Corps, but most Marines trace their origin to Oct. 1775 when the Continental Congress first authorized the raising of 5 companies of Marines to accompany the first 4 ships of the Navy on it's first mission to seize a shipment of arms and powder on it's way to Boston from England.

Hooah!

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Posted - April 29 2003 :  04:31:15 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote  Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
With due respect, Major, all Marines trace our lineage to Tun's Tavern in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania and the birthday is 10 November 1775. Semper Fi...

Your Most Humble Servant,

Pte. Angus MacDougal
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