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The proposal dialogue between Hawkeye and Cora at the end of the movie, which was written in the script, was that ever filmed?
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Posted - January 10 2009 : 4:10:30 PM
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| Actually, it was. In fact it is what you see. The shots were edited in such a way as to only show the listener in that sequence. Notice the head nods, etc. There was actual dialogue being spoken, but Mann edited that out. See our Madeleine Stowe interview: http://www.mohicanpress.com/stowe_interview.html |
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Posted - January 11 2009 : 12:04:48 PM
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I own a Region 2 (UK) version DVD and also a region 4 (Australia) version DVD. Would that scene have also been edited out of those versions?
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Posted - January 12 2009 : 12:46:21 AM
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I'm new to the board though I have lurked for a few months 
The first time I saw the movie was in 1993 and remember thinking how violent it was....then I saw it again a few months ago and became enthralled! I remember seeing the head nods and wondering what it was about...then read on the boards and in the script that it was a marriage proposal and acceptance. I love it. Now I can make up my own story on what happens to them next! |
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Posted - January 12 2009 : 11:55:02 AM
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| Keep in mind that in this period that when Nathaniel/Hawkeye talks about them removing to "Can-tuck-ee" ( as it's spelled in my script ) it's a rather non-specific term for the farther frontier and not necessarilly modern Kentucky. ( So they COULD meet Daniel Boone - or NOT! ) At this point, they would've easily been welcome among all the Iroquois and their vassals, stretching from the Seneca lands around the Great Lakes down through the Forks around Ft. Pitt into the Ohio country. I rather imagine Sir William Johnson would've been happy to have them serve as his "agents". Unfortunately, as Yengeese, they might well wind up as victims of Pontiac's "Conspiracy"; or even wound up on Simon Girty's side in the subsequent Revolution! |
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Originally posted by Kan-Tuck-EE
I'm new to the board though I have lurked for a few months
The first time I saw the movie was in 1993 and remember thinking how violent it was....then I saw it again a few months ago and became enthralled! I remember seeing the head nods and wondering what it was about...then read on the boards and in the script that it was a marriage proposal and acceptance. I love it. Now I can make up my own story on what happens to them next!
Welcome Kan-Tuck-EE. I had a similar experience, except I wasn't even interested in watching it in the 90's when it came out. The commercials looked very dark. But, when I finally watched it in 2007, I loved it and watched it about 15 times in one month!
So, you mentioned you will make up a story. . .do you write fan fiction? |
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Posted - January 12 2009 : 12:21:13 PM
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This may be a duplicate message, I'm not exactly a newbie,but haven't written many messages. Sorry, if this same message shows up 2x.
I spent last night watching a version that I recorded from TV that differs somewhat from the DVD and every other TV showing. In this particular version, there is dialogue that is missing from all others. Nothing major, but interesting. Besides that, it appears to be zoomed, more closeups than I've seen before. Also, when the 3 are running up the rock fact searching for Cora, Alice & Duncan, there is music with vocalization in the background. At the end, there is more contact between Hawkeye and Cora and Chingachook doesn't have the longer speech to which Hawkeye answers in the other version "that is just my father's sadness talking". Does anyone know what this is and why the changes?? Thanks!! |
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Posted - February 03 2009 : 11:25:38 PM
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"So, you mentioned you will make up a story. . .do you write fan fiction?"
LOL! No, I do good to write at all these days. I would love to write though and I can verbally tell a pretty good tale. I would love to see a sequel to this movie, maybe a series or miniseries like we see on TV sometimes...with the future generations of Hawkeye and Cora. One of my ancestors was a contemporary of Daniel Boone and a longhunter in "Kan-Tuck-EE" so this period interests me a lot.
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Originally posted by di-mc
I spent last night watching a version that I recorded from TV that differs somewhat from the DVD and every other TV showing. In this particular version, there is dialogue that is missing from all others. Nothing major, but interesting. Besides that, it appears to be zoomed, more closeups than I've seen before. Also, when the 3 are running up the rock fact searching for Cora, Alice & Duncan, there is music with vocalization in the background. At the end, there is more contact between Hawkeye and Cora and Chingachook doesn't have the longer speech to which Hawkeye answers in the other version "that is just my father's sadness talking". Does anyone know what this is and why the changes?? Thanks!!
It sounds like you managed to see the original theatrical version. I have that version on VHS. I'm not sure about the closeups you mention, but the other differences are there.
The music you hear when the 3 heroes are running up the rock face is "I Will Find You" by Clannad. You can find it on Youtube.
The lines you mention that were cut from the Director's Cut DVD are mostly Hawkeye's. For example, his "...breed apart and make no sense" line was cut from the scene where he and Cora are talking in the burial ground, and Hawkeye tells her his father warned her about people like her. There are a couple of his other more "smart-alecky" lines that were also cut. Personally, I miss those great lines when I watch the DVD. |
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Posted - February 09 2009 : 3:15:38 PM
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Thanks WW!!
I'm sure that explains it. It's pretty interesting though that the aspect is different - the "zoom" look. I think I prefer the original theatrical version with the Clannad vocal and the additional Hawkeye lines. When I re-watch, I tend to select that version. |
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Posted - February 11 2009 : 9:43:06 PM
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| I prefer the original version too! I have it recorded to my DVR and watch it about once a week. I know, I'm obsessed! LOL. |
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It's very strange, but every time I watch it on cable TV, usually FX, AMC, or Fox Movie Channel, they show the Expanded Director's Cut. Where are you guys seeing the original theatrical version? Cable? Satellite?
I prefer the original theatrical version, too, but I usually watch the Director's cut on dvd, because the picture quality is clearer and brighter. One of these days, I need to put the tape in the vcr so I can hear Hawkeye tell Duncan that they are going to have a serious disagreement some day.  I love that line! |
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Posted - February 12 2009 : 12:20:15 PM
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| I'm afraid that from the military perspective, I far prefer the Director's Cut - the juxtaposition of events of The Courier episode along WITH Heyward's Diversion ( totally left out of the theatrical version! ) make ALL the difference to me! Also, though some of Hawkeye's excized zingers were clever and funny/enjoyable; too many of them were really out of character and out of place: they sounded too much like something out of a Bruce Willis movie! Die Hard/Harder/Hardest in the Wilderness! |
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Posted - February 17 2009 : 12:18:02 AM
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Wilderness Woman,
The original version is shown on Satellite; I have Direct TV and it's on the Encore Drama channel regularly. Kan-tuck-ee - I'm with you! I have the movie recorded 2x and I also have the DVD, and still, everytime I find it showing I watch it. Obsessed, heck yeah!
James - how do we know the folks in those days didn't use zingers??? I like to think they did!
Another point to ponder - teeth. Everytime I watch LOTM and other historical films, I look at the character's beautiful white, straight teeth and wonder what their teeth were really like. I'm sure they weren't anything like what we see on film. How bout some reality - show some bad teeth? Nah. |
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Uh, what are zingers? (besides snappy comebacks)
Speaking of bad teeth, I once read a description of England's Queen, Elizabeth I: "...a scrawny middle-aged spinster with black teeth." I much prefer Cate Blanchett's version! |
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There was a reason why people didn't smile and show their teeth for paintings!
Di-Mc, you can often see minor characters, especially in westerns, with "bad" teeth. But, face it.... who wants to see Hawkeye with ugly, black and rotted teeth?? Not me! |
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Posted - February 19 2009 : 7:42:08 PM
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In England & France in the 15th and 16th centuries the upper classes had access to sugar - lots of it, therefore their teeth rotted. Since only the wealthy were affected, it became a sign of wealth to have bad teeth - you can guess what became fashionable. The poorer folks, wanting to appear as the wealthy did - blacked out their teeth.
Of course, that all changed when they figured out what causes decay. Then the wealthy, with better diets, hygiene, etc, had the better teeth and the poor had the opposite. We Americans certainly place great importance on perfect, straight, white teeth.
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