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Kirachi
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 Posted - October 22 2007 : 1:29:09 PM
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Does anyone know of any good non fiction books about people being taken captive by natives in America?
Fiction is also ok as long as it's not Mills & Boon romance lol
I'm also looking for a good costume guide book spanning from 1500 to 1885, with photos of surviving garments and drawings etc
I've been looking on Amazon all day but can't find what I want.
Thanks for any help
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susank2
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Posted - October 22 2007 : 1:41:18 PM
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Funny you should ask!  We had a topic here very recently about the very same thing and some good books were recommended. Actually I think the topic was about the Indian way of life, but books were recommended about captives too.
I read In the Hands of the Seneca which was a short quick read about 4 people taken captive and what happens to each one of them.
Also recommended were books about Mary Jemison. I have requested them from the library but they have to get them from other branches that are far so I haven't gotten them yet. I'm sure many others here can help you like they did with me. |
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RedFraggle
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Posted - October 22 2007 : 3:21:06 PM
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I'm about to start reading a book by Cooper--not in the LOTM series, for once!--called The Wept of Wish-Ton-Wish. It is about a woman who is captured by Indians as a child but returns to live with the whites after she has become (gasp!) the mother of half-Indian children. The book must have been terribly provocative for its day, and I'm interested to see how Cooper treats race relations, since he was, in general, an opponent of the US government's Indian Removal Policies. I'll let you know how it goes. I'll probably enjoy it, but then again I like books that most everybody else thinks are boring! [ ] |
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Gadget Girl
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Posted - October 22 2007 : 3:39:48 PM
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| I noticed in perusing the old board archives this morning a number of posts about The Wept of Wish-Ton-Wish. If you go to the link I posted in The Burial Ground thread you may find some thoughts on that one. I know some of them had to do with the difficulty in even finding the book. |
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Wilderness Woman
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Posted - October 22 2007 : 7:26:49 PM
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| I believe I mentioned this one just recently, but "The Red Heart" by James Alexander Thom. It is the true story of Frances Slocum, a 4-year old Quaker girl who was kidnapped by the Delaware Indians in Pennsylvania, near the Wilkes-Barre area. She was traded to the Miami Indians where she spent her life, while her family searched for her. Excellent book. |
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RedFraggle
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Posted - October 22 2007 : 7:58:38 PM
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Originally posted by Gadget Girl
I noticed in perusing the old board archives this morning a number of posts about The Wept of Wish-Ton-Wish. If you go to the link I posted in The Burial Ground thread you may find some thoughts on that one. I know some of them had to do with the difficulty in even finding the book.
I saw it! Thanks!  It caught my eye as I was scrolling down looking for the misheard movie lines.
The book is hard to find. I had to check out my library's 1873 copy, which I was the first person ever to check out. Imagine that, a book sitting on the shelves of a library since the late 1800's and never being read, not even once! Thanks to the very small demand for the book, though, this copy is pretty much like new, except for some wear on the spine.
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I'm also looking for a good costume guide book spanning from 1500 to 1885, with photos of surviving garments and drawings etc
I've been looking on Amazon all day but can't find what I want.
Kirachi--a really good book for the 1700's is Linda Baumgarten's What Clothes Reveal: The Language of Clothing in Colonial and Federal America, The Colonial Williamsburg Collection. There's not a page without a full-color plate of an orginal garment from the 1700's. Beautiful book, but probably quite pricey. I check it out from my university's library every now and again and hoard it for as long as I can.  The pics are really good for sketching.
Oh, and another book you may want to try is Valerie Cumming's Exploring Costume History: 1500-1900. I haven't actually browsed this book myself but Cumming's other work on costume history is informative. |
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Bookworm
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Posted - October 22 2007 : 8:03:19 PM
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For a non-fiction book on this topic, I recommend "Captured by the Indians: 15 Firsthand Accounts, 1750-1870," edited by Frederick Drimmer. It's a paperback book, not very expensive, and available from Amazon.
It's interesting that in Cooper's book the white mother of the half-Indian child returns to the white community. Mary Jemison related that at the end of the Revolutionary War her Indian brother, Black Coals, told her that she was free to rejoin the white community if she wished. Her principal reason for deciding not to do so was that she "had got a large family of Indian children that I must take with me; and that, if I should be so fortunate as to find my relatives, they would despise them, if not myself, and treat us as enemies or, at least, with a degree of cold indifference, which I thought I could not endure." |
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RedFraggle
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Posted - October 22 2007 : 8:10:09 PM
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Originally posted by Bookworm
It's interesting that in Cooper's book the white mother of the half-Indian child returns to the white community. . . .
I'm not sure if she returns of her own accord or not. I haven't gotten that far into the book yet. Something tells me she may be forcibly taken back by the whites, but I could be wrong. Only further reading will tell me! |
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Posted - October 23 2007 : 02:10:58 AM
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| Allan Eckert's books are some of the best,everything & everyone is documented.There are five novels in the "Winning Of America" series. |
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Kirachi
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Posted - October 23 2007 : 05:45:13 AM
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Originally posted by RedFraggle
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Originally posted by Gadget Girl
I noticed in perusing the old board archives this morning a number of posts about The Wept of Wish-Ton-Wish. If you go to the link I posted in The Burial Ground thread you may find some thoughts on that one. I know some of them had to do with the difficulty in even finding the book.
I saw it! Thanks! It caught my eye as I was scrolling down looking for the misheard movie lines.
The book is hard to find. I had to check out my library's 1873 copy, which I was the first person ever to check out. Imagine that, a book sitting on the shelves of a library since the late 1800's and never being read, not even once! Thanks to the very small demand for the book, though, this copy is pretty much like new, except for some wear on the spine.
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Originally posted by Kirachi
I'm also looking for a good costume guide book spanning from 1500 to 1885, with photos of surviving garments and drawings etc
I've been looking on Amazon all day but can't find what I want.
Kirachi--a really good book for the 1700's is Linda Baumgarten's What Clothes Reveal: The Language of Clothing in Colonial and Federal America, The Colonial Williamsburg Collection. There's not a page without a full-color plate of an orginal garment from the 1700's. Beautiful book, but probably quite pricey. I check it out from my university's library every now and again and hoard it for as long as I can. The pics are really good for sketching.
Oh, and another book you may want to try is Valerie Cumming's Exploring Costume History: 1500-1900. I haven't actually browsed this book myself but Cumming's other work on costume history is informative.
Thanks everyone I'll check into those books.
The one I found recently was: The Ransom of Mercy Carter
Has anyone read this? It looks like it might be good.
Thanks for the costume books Red, I'll check those out today. I'm going to start making clothing so i wanted a good ref book I can dip into whenever I need to. Sounds like one of those will do it 
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Wilderness Woman
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Posted - October 23 2007 : 08:33:33 AM
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Originally posted by KirachiI'm going to start making clothing so i wanted a good ref book I can dip into whenever I need to. Sounds like one of those will do it
Clothing from which era? And what will you be doing with it? Do you want to re-enact, or just dress for the fun of it?
An excellent book for an 18th century re-enactor who really wants to do it right is "Whatever Shall I Wear" by Mara Riley and illustrated by Cathy Johnson. This book is excellent! It is available here:
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Kirachi
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Posted - October 23 2007 : 10:21:05 AM
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Originally posted by KirachiI'm going to start making clothing so i wanted a good ref book I can dip into whenever I need to. Sounds like one of those will do it
Clothing from which era? And what will you be doing with it? Do you want to re-enact, or just dress for the fun of it?
An excellent book for an 18th century re-enactor who really wants to do it right is "Whatever Shall I Wear" by Mara Riley and illustrated by Cathy Johnson. This book is excellent! It is available here:
Whatever
Thanks WW I'll check that book out.
It's just for the fun of making clothing really and trying to get as close as I can to the orig clothing.
The time frame I'm looking for is between 1543 and 1885, pretty big lol |
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Kirachi
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Posted - October 24 2007 : 07:14:36 AM
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| I found What Clothes Reveal: The Language of Clothing in Colonial and Federal America and snapped it up, what an amazing book! Thanks so much Red this is exactly the kind of thing I was searching for! |
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Wilderness Woman
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Posted - October 24 2007 : 10:23:50 AM
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It's just for the fun of making clothing really and trying to get as close as I can to the orig clothing.
Well, that sounds like great fun! I can direct you to the best and most accurate 18th century clothing patterns. Definitely stay away from the big commercial pattern makers, such as Simplicity and McCalls. If you want to make a Halloween costume, they are fine. But if you want to be as accurate as possible, they are not.
Here are the ones you should focus on:
www.jpryan.com
Her stays and jacket patterns are the most accurate.
www.kannikskorner.com
Her caps and her bedgown patterns are the best.
Mill Farms Patterns, designed by Sharon Ann Burnston and sold by Burnley and Trowbridge, are also good, except for her stays (jumps) pattern, which I don't like. www.burnleyandtrowbridge.com
Here is Sharon's custom clothing website for you to look at for ideas. www.villagegreenclothier.com Her shifts and petticoats are done the correct way. No casings and drawstrings allowed! If you want instructions for making an accurate 18th century petticoat, let me know. I have written them up, and no pattern is needed. For correct instructions on making a shift, go here:
www.marariley.net/shift/shift.htm
Another fun website to just look at and enjoy is www.sillysisters.com These ladies also do it right.
Hope this helps! |
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Kirachi
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Posted - October 24 2007 : 11:16:22 AM
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Thanks for the sites WW.
I love the clothing on villagegreen! I hope i can come out with something half as good lol
I'll spend a fun afternoon searching through these sites, thanks a lot |
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Irishgirl
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| Someone may have mentioned this book already but I was just on Amazon and saw "The Captured, A True Story of Abduction by Indians on the Texas Frontier" by Scott Zesch. It looks like a good book, one even I could stand to read. |
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Kirachi
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Posted - October 25 2007 : 06:13:32 AM
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Thanks Irish I'll look that one up to.
Oh WW I meant to say, yes that would be fantastic if you have any patterns, thanks so much! |
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