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That was the Indian's way of war...He would have killed them with or without the background of personal vengance.

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That was the Indian's way of war...He would have killed them with or without the background of personal vengance.

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What happened to the idea of taking them as prisoners and raising them as part of his own tribe or marrying them to replace his lost family? I thought that was a practice of many 18th century Indians. In the end, that's what he was ordered to do with Alice by Sachem.

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Originally posted by Obediah
I will admit that he was considerably more honorable than Wolfe.

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...And Montcalm? Like all the other European officers (French and British), he had very little use for "Les Sauvages" or the colonists, either. I will admit that he was considerably more honorable than Wolfe.

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I never cared much for the British

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careful there

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careful there

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Well, as Matthew Quigley tells Lieutenant...er...Major Ashley-Pitt, "We already run the misfits outta our country; we sent 'em back to England."

Hope that's careful enough...

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I never cared much for the British

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careful there

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Well, as Matthew Quigley tells Lieutenant...er...Major Ashley-Pitt, "We already run the misfits outta our country; we sent 'em back to England."

Hope that's careful enough...

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LOL, Kirachi.

And now I'll put on my "Cooper fan" hat. (Nerd alert, for anyone who wants to scroll past this post. ) It's interesting that the screenwriters for LOTM made Magua's hatred of the "grey hair" more compelling than in Cooper's novel. In the movie, Magua acts in part to avenge his murdered children and the loss of his wife, but in the book he acts to avenge a personal affront: he gets drunk in the English camp and Munro has him tied to a stake and whipped. The shame of it is so great that Magua cannot go back to his own people and holds an eternal grudge against the English.

For once, I think the movie version of Magua is more of a compelling bad guy than the one in the novel. I don't think I'd any special feelings for the grey hair either if he was responsible for killing my family!

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Originally posted by MaguasBastardChild

The English killed his kids and ruined his whole existence, so Magua wanted to wipe the earth of the grey hairs seed to keep them from reproducing on all fronts. The girls arent innocent entirely, they are in a war zone and are thus are part of the "playing field." They shoulda stayed in england till the english had a firmer grip on the us territory anyway. I would say family memebers are off limits in a war of that type, but the english killed his kids so

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I do not believe this is true of Montcalm.I've read that Montcalm had a very close friendship with one of the top Indian leaders.(Pontiac?)

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As almost any conventionally minded European regular officer would have, Montcalm disliked departures from what he understood to be civilized standards of military conduct. He distrusted Indians, who operated according to their own understandings of warfare and could not be subjected to military discipline. Because Indians fought to gain prisoners, trophies, and booty, they could be ungovernable in the aftermath of a battle and were particularly prone to what Montcalm could only understand as acts of savagery—scalping, torture, even cannibalism. But most important, to use Indians seemed futile to Montcalm because no matter how many small victories they might win, they could inflict no lasting defeat on the British: once a battle had been won, they would simply take their captives and loot and return home. So far as Montcalm could see, the Canadian militia and even the troupes de la marine were only marginally preferable to the Indians, since whatever their skills in woodcraft, neither could compare with properly disciplined European troops in reliability under fire or staying power.

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But the marquis de Montcalm had aggravated the situation, and accelerated the failure of the alliances, by seeking to command the Indians as auxiliaries, rather than to negotiate for their cooperation as allies. Eventually the combined effects of poor supply and Montcalm’s Europeanized command alienated even the converted Indians and the habitants, so that in 1760 the chevalier de Levis and his regulars stood alone, abandoned by the peoples they had crossed the Atlantic to defend. [pg. 454]

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Originally posted by Light of the Moon




Good point. But you're forgetting that it was Magua who helped put them there. Remember at the fort when Col. Monroe asked his daughters why they had disobeyed him and not stayed away like he had told them to do in his letter.

Magua happened upon that letter one way or another, used the info to set him right dead smack in their presence as a guide sent from the scotsman.

But he is entitled to revenge and I would have gone after the man too had he killed my daughters but don't think I would take out revenge on the rest of his family. Just speaking MOHO.

However, the natives were not that way. When blood vengance was carried out for something as devestating it was an eye for an eye. You took my kids, I'll take yours and then I'll take you for their murders.

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Good point. But you're forgetting that it was Magua who helped put them there. Remember at the fort when Col. Monroe asked his daughters why they had disobeyed him and not stayed away like he had told them to do in his letter.

Magua happened upon that letter one way or another, used the info to set him right dead smack in their presence as a guide sent from the scotsman.

But he is entitled to revenge and I would have gone after the man too had he killed my daughters but don't think I would take out revenge on the rest of his family. Just speaking MOHO.

However, the natives were not that way. When blood vengance was carried out for something as devestating it was an eye for an eye. You took my kids, I'll take yours and then I'll take you for their murders.

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Excellent points, Light. Especially about the girls being drawn into the war by Magua's deception.

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Originally posted by MaguasBastardChild



I thought they were coming anyway, but just didnt get the messege from their dad NOT to come.

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Vaudreuil's plan certainly couldn't done any worse...

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