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RedFraggle
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 Posted - August 28 2007 : 2:07:31 PM
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There is probably a thread about this somewhere in the bazillion pages of archives, but why not start afresh and get some new answers? 
My question is: which scenes in LOTM would you add, change, or delete, and how and why would you change them?
Feel free to comment on the added/deleted scenes of the Director's Cut, or make up entirely new material that you feel would enhance the plot or development of the movie as it stands. I.e., stick to the characters and the general storyline without, for example, writing yourself in  or adding in some total non sequitur like "Uncas was saved from death at the bottom of the cliff when friendly aliens abducted him on the way down."  Or whatever.
But otherwise be as creative as you want! Now, what would you change, how, and why?
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Great question, Red. I'll have to think some more, but off the top of my head the one scene that should have been changed, and has been commented on by others in a different thread, is that Uncas, and not Chingachgook, should have helped Alice off the massacre battlefield.
Even if you don't agree that Alice was in love with Uncas (as I know you and some others do not), it would have strengthened the position that he had feelings for her, which is necessary to the reason for the final scene where he runs up the cliffs and fights for her life. I may be dumb, but I hardly picked up his interest in her the first time I saw the movie. I had to watch it twice. |
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Oh, I think there will be some good discussion with some of the ideas our board members will come up with!! 
Anyhow, I will have to agree with Winglo on her situation change. Uncas defiantly should of help Alice instead of Chingy. 
But the one thing I would have changed in the movie would have to be the Cameron's cabin burning. We could have did without that. Who knows, maybe that family would have played an important role in the movie later on if things were changed. |
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Posted - August 29 2007 : 09:20:38 AM
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I never like the river chase scene but I won't rewrite it today as my imagination is terribly silly    at the moment and I don't want to offend anyone or insult their love and respect of the characters. |
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I don't want to offend anyone or insult their love and respect of the characters.
 never stopped you before |
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Posted - August 29 2007 : 12:12:57 PM
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ok you asked for it....
The group paddles across the river when Duncas glares at Hunk-eye. How dare that stud steal his sugar when she was so close to becoming his bride? And then that rascal had to call his bluff and expose him for a liar. A sudden since of revenge came over Cpn. Crunch.
He pulled his pistol and aimed it at our beloved frontiersman.
Hawkeye looks to the Major. "Nothing better to do on the lake today, Major?"
Before BBQ can answer he gets whapped in the head with an oar by accident and falls into the lake unconscience.
Being put off by his lies and cowardice ways Cora shouts, "Leave him be. Save us helpless flowers from the Magua!"
So they paddle on.
Good enough? Or should I continue? After all who's gonna roast in the huron fire. Who's gonna' call Hawkeye a coward for jumping the falls? I really could continue! |
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I would change the scene where Uncas dies when he is fighting Magua. He is totally kick-ass up to that point and then Magua complely dominates him! I would have made it that Uncas at least does SOME damage to Magua. He should be hurtin' some before he kills Uncas.
I would also define the Uncas/Alice relationship more. I know the main romance is Hawkeye and Cora, but geez...give us a little more to go on with the Alice/Uncas thing! Under the waterfall would have been a good place. Wish they had left that scene in.
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| Well I wish that silly girl Alice had not jumped but gone with "manly Magua" to wherever he was taking her and Magua would have had some "fun" with Ms. Alice in his tepee. Maybe that would have brought a smile to her face for a change. |
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Posted - August 29 2007 : 6:37:23 PM
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No, please don't continue. I don't want to see this thread password protected too!
LOL!!!
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Posted - August 29 2007 : 7:41:23 PM
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No, please don't continue. I don't want to see this thread password protected too!
Hee hee. Hence the winky face in my original question. Speaking of which, I guess I'll answer too.
Something that has always bothered me is the escape from the ambush after leaving the fort. Ching's saving Alice is odd, I agree, if we are supposed to think that Uncas has feelings for her. Uncas himself totally disappears for a while, as does Duncan.
The continuity of the entire escape scene bugs me. Example: We see Duncan giving commands to his men, then falling down an embankment, still wearing his full uniform. The next time we see him, he's in a canoe on the lake, his coat is missing, his waistcoat is unbuttoned, and his shirt is hanging open. The way the scenes are shot, it looks like he was already on the lake before Hawkeye, Ching, and the girls got the idea of escaping by boat. So how'd he get to the lake so fast, and where are the rest of his clothes? I can understand fleeing from the ambush, but if you were being chased by rampaging enemies, would you really stop and think, "It's so bloody hot. I'll just pause and make myself more comfortable before continuing my escape," and proceed to undress? I don't think so. Then Uncas comes swimming up to Duncan's canoe. Where'd he come from?
All that to say that I would like to see a scene that ties the loose ends together. We know how Hawkeye, Ching, and the Munro girls got to the boats, but how did everybody else get there? And, while we're at it, maybe we could see them picking up Soldiers 1 and 2 from the battlefield. From what I remember, they just sort of come out of nowhere too. |
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I would have put in the sequence where Uncas got the wound that Cora is bandaging in the fort. We missed a good fight there.
About Duncan's coat .. I wouldn't worry too much about that...he never did stay consistant .. remember when they were moving the girls to the fort by swimming beside the canoes....where was Duncan? Maybe he was hiding in the bottom of that canoe under the girls cuz he sure wasn't where I could see him. Hawkeye and the rest got wet but when Duncan reported he was bone dry.. |
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Posted - August 30 2007 : 1:22:15 PM
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About Duncan's coat .. I wouldn't worry too much about that...he never did stay consistant .. remember when they were moving the girls to the fort by swimming beside the canoes....where was Duncan? Maybe he was hiding in the bottom of that canoe under the girls cuz he sure wasn't where I could see him. Hawkeye and the rest got wet but when Duncan reported he was bone dry..
You know, you're right. Arrrgh! These consistency things really bother me. But then again, I used to be an editor, and reading for consistency was a big part of my job. I hate it when things--be it storylines, spelling and grammar, or movie scenes--just don't mesh! 
BTW, I've liked reading everybody's answers so far. Very interesting, and a good break from studying!  |
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I can understand fleeing from the ambush, but if you were being chased by rampaging enemies, would you really stop and think, "It's so bloody hot. I'll just pause and make myself more comfortable before continuing my escape," and proceed to undress? I don't think so. Then Uncas comes swimming up to Duncan's canoe. Where'd he come from?
All that to say that I would like to see a scene that ties the loose ends together. We know how Hawkeye, Ching, and the Munro girls got to the boats, but how did everybody else get there?
Red, you are so funny. I love the way you inserted that little quote from Duncan.
Speaking of continuity with this scene, when they are getting in the canoes, Uncas gets in, in front of Alice. But, when we see the canoes out on the lake he is behind Alice and Hawkeye is in front of her. I always wondered how that happened.
Some of these continuity issues may be VHS vs DVD, but it's more likely poor editing. I know in the VHS version (which I usually watch because I like it better), we do see Uncas go over the side of the canoe he is in and surface at Duncan's canoe. I don't know about the DVD version.
And, I absolutely agree, Hawkeye, that the scene when Uncas gets his wound would have helped make the scene in the surgery with him getting bandaged more understandable. |
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Posted - August 30 2007 : 2:34:58 PM
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I would have put in the sequence where Uncas got the wound that Cora is bandaging in the fort. We missed a good fight there.
About Duncan's coat .. I wouldn't worry too much about that...he never did stay consistant .. remember when they were moving the girls to the fort by swimming beside the canoes....where was Duncan? Maybe he was hiding in the bottom of that canoe under the girls cuz he sure wasn't where I could see him. Hawkeye and the rest got wet but when Duncan reported he was bone dry..
Yet, another detail I overlooked in the movie. Something like that could have been good for a question in the trivia thread. Details...it's all in the details.
BTW Red...Uncas swimming up to Duncan's canoe, just before that you do see him hop from his canoe and then the scene cuts to him climbing in the next one. I guess to help them get up some speed?
Anyway, I just never really liked that scene in particular either.
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I think I just spotted the reason why Magua lost to Chingachgeezer after just whomping his kid:
When fighting Uncas, Magua holds his 'hawk in his left hand (in an upright position) while holding his knife in his right in a forward (or thrusting) position. Now, just minutes later when the old man comes charging up the hill with death in his eyes, Magua again draws his blades, but this time he holds his 'hawk in his right hand (still upright) and his knife in his left hand with the blade in a downward position. Poor tactics there, bud. Then again, Uncas might have fared better if he had had a big blue hockey stick like Daddy's... |
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Posted - August 31 2007 : 12:52:58 AM
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So perhaps Magua would have preferred to be fighting Inigo Montoya right about then?
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Posted - August 31 2007 : 09:37:34 AM
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| Well, he couldn't have done any worse that he did fighting Ching. |
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| Now, why exactly did Magua just stand there with that deer-in-the-headlights look as Chingy prepared to deliver the coup de gras??? Shouldn't he have been moving away or counter-attacking or whatever? DON'T JUST STAND THERE; DO SOMETHING!! |
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Posted - August 31 2007 : 11:18:33 AM
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So perhaps Magua would have preferred to be fighting Inigo Montoya right about then?
"You killed my father; prepare to die!"
AH ! The Princess Bride!
I  Indigo Montoya! That hottie of a spaniard is definately worth a double take !
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Now, why exactly did Magua just stand there with that deer-in-the-headlights look as Chingy prepared to deliver the coup de gras??? Shouldn't he have been moving away or counter-attacking or whatever? DON'T JUST STAND THERE; DO SOMETHING!!
Well, the truth of the matter is he had a broken leg, so the fight scene had to be curtailed. |
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Didn't he also have a broken arm?.
Actually I have never seen "The Princess Bride". |
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Princess Bride is one of those rare movies that is actually better than the book, IMO.
The is a new movie out even as we speak that is being very favorably compared to Princess Bride. It's called Stardust and it is excellent! Robert DiNiro is drop-dead hilarious! |
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Posted - August 31 2007 : 1:37:20 PM
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Now, why exactly did Magua just stand there with that deer-in-the-headlights look as Chingy prepared to deliver the coup de gras??? Shouldn't he have been moving away or counter-attacking or whatever? DON'T JUST STAND THERE; DO SOMETHING!!
I have often wondered that myself. At least Uncas died while trying to counter attack. It seems so out of character for Magua. |
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