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Light of the Moon
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 Posted - January 11 2007 : 4:40:52 PM
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In the scene with the spooky little girls singing to General Montcalm, Montcalm speaks with Magua and asks him why he hates the gray hair. Magua's answer has always been odd to me no matter how many times I watch the movie. He says, "Before the Gray Hair dies I will put under the knife his children so that he will know his seed is wiped from the earth forever." I never thought that really fit there but thought that phrase would fit better when Montcalm and Magua speak alone in the forest about the peace that was made.
In that scene he explained his hatred for the Gray Hair.
Always thought those two lines should have been switched around.
It may be just me but wanted to know if anyone else thought the same.
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Fitzhugh Williams
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Posted - January 11 2007 : 6:21:12 PM
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| It always seemed a little odd to me also, like Magua sort of ignored Montcalm's question and was almost talking to himself. But then Mauga was a little odd anyway. Not the kind of guy you want to meet when you stagger out of Bumppo's Tavern at 2 AM. |
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Posted - January 11 2007 : 6:56:14 PM
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| Quite true, - especially if he had a snoot full too. .. ;) |
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Posted - January 12 2007 : 07:41:56 AM
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Yes . . . Magua with a "snoot" full is definitely not a character I'd want to meet after happy hour! 
Interestingly enough (excuse me while I wax dorky for a moment  ), the reason why Magua hates Munro so much in the novel is that Magua got sloppy drunk in camp and Munro had him tied to a pole and whipped in front of everyone. Magua was so totally humiliated that he couldn't go back to his own tribe, and he became a slave to the Delaware, his wife became the wife of another, etc. So I guess the guy can't hold his liquor!
As for why Magua doesn't answer Montcalm in the tent, I think maybe he didn't want to answer when there were other people around. Montcalm is his French "father" and ranks higher than him, so it would be OK to tell him a humiliating story about the past. But maybe Magua doesn't want the lower-ranking soldiers to overhear, so he waits till he and the general are alone. In the tent, then, he deflects the question and talks about putting the Grey Hair's children under the knife to keep up a menacing appearance in front of the regular rank-and-file Frenchies (?).
I dunno.  Never really thought about it before! |
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Posted - January 12 2007 : 12:36:11 PM
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Yes, it has always been a tad confusing the way Magua answers Montcalm; I've just never looked at it before. I think Red's analysis is very close to the mark. 
Since the title of this thread is "Magua Speaks," maybe I should have started a new thread, entitled "Magua Sings." Obviously, his favorite song would have to be "You Gotta Have Heart!"   |
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Posted - January 12 2007 : 2:08:24 PM
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From the Script http://www.mohicanpress.com/mo07013.html
MAGUA: The Grey Hair's children were under Magua's knife but escaped. They'll be under it again.
MONTCALM: Why do you hate the Grey Hair, Magua?
MAGUA: When the Grey Hair is dead, Magua will eat his heart. Before he dies Magua will put his children under the knife so the Grey Hair will see his seed is wiped out forever.
[Montcalm won't get a direct answer.]
MONTCALM: My sappeurs are advancing the trenches through the night, now. You may have your opportunity soon.
That's why he didn't give a direct answer. He followed the script! |
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Posted - January 12 2007 : 4:01:20 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by Obediah
Since the title of this thread is "Magua Speaks," maybe I should have started a new thread, entitled "Magua Sings." Obviously, his favorite song would have to be "You Gotta Have Heart!"
Or maybe "Heartless" by the band Heart? Sing along, everybody:
Heartless! Heartless! He thinks it's so cool to be cold!
Flashbacks to the 70's or 80's, anyone? |
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Light of the Moon
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Posted - January 12 2007 : 4:03:06 PM
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So it seems. Hollywood - go figure.
Well the script seemed to answer the question but still makes no sense and apparently confuses the audience a bit.
Red, your answer seems to explain the reasoning behind the elusive answer he gives.
And Obi, you are too funny! How about Faith Hill's "Take Another Little Piece of My Heart". |
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Posted - January 12 2007 : 11:02:56 PM
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| Faith Hill? Pretty lame beside Janis!!! |
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Posted - January 12 2007 : 11:29:19 PM
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"Faith Hill? Pretty lame beside Janis!!!"
--- Fitz
Lol! I thought it, but didn't say it! "Come on, Come on... TAKE it!!  God, I hope there really is a great band in heaven! |
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Posted - January 13 2007 : 06:06:33 AM
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Redbird says--"....I hope there really is a great band in heaven!"
There is, Redbird,the best: "a band of Angels, lookin' after me...." |
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Posted - January 13 2007 : 5:02:20 PM
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Redbird says--"....I hope there really is a great band in heaven!"
There is, Redbird,the best: "a band of Angels, lookin' after me...."
-- Seamus
 Good point, Seamus... I'd forgotten that one! Maybe it was Rock N' Roll heaven I was thinking of... more like a "Band of Gypsies"? Maybe I'd get to see Hendrix play live there, since I never did in this world.  Boy, am I showing my age here - and getting off thread! 
Didn't we start out talking about Magua and Montcalm... after "those "spooky little girls", as Light put it,  finish singing the Sanctus. I agree with her on that part of the "Munro revenge thing" being out of place, logicaly. I think they stuck it in where they did to adavnce the emotional impact and pace of the story? Just to confuse us even more, does anyone know who the other Chief in there (who doesn't have any lines), to whom Montcalm speaks first, might have been? |
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Posted - January 14 2007 : 08:57:45 AM
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There were several different NA tribes allied with the French during the war, I think. If Magua is supposed to be a Huron leader, perhaps the other, silent guy is chief of one of the other allied tribes? 
Not that this really answers your question. But it's the best I can do. |
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Posted - January 14 2007 : 9:52:15 PM
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Originally posted by Fitzhugh Williams
Faith Hill? Pretty lame beside Janis!!!
I wasn't comparing them in anyway. It is soooooo obvious there is no comparison...just cutting up a little.
As far as the other cheif - good question. Never thought of it before. Maybe Fitz would know since he seems to have something of the script for that scene.
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Posted - January 14 2007 : 10:19:59 PM
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| Good idea, Light...! I was actually thinking along the same lines as Red - but was being lazy, since I don't have any of the source material handy. Maybe Fitz has a better clue? |
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Posted - January 15 2007 : 01:09:28 AM
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quote:
Originally posted by Fitzhugh Williams
Faith Hill? Pretty lame beside Janis!!!
Faith Hill: pretty lame, period. |
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Posted - January 15 2007 : 08:45:05 AM
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quote:
Originally posted by RedFraggle
There were several different NA tribes allied with the French during the war, I think. If Magua is supposed to be a Huron leader, perhaps the other, silent guy is chief of one of the other allied tribes?
Not that this really answers your question. But it's the best I can do.
I believe he is an Abenaki chief ... |
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Fitzhugh Williams
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Posted - January 15 2007 : 10:53:15 AM
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| Hey, the script's on the site (see the link above). It is based on the 1936 script. I would love to compare the two. I have the 1936 movie, but what makes it to the screen is not necessarily what's in the script. |
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Posted - January 16 2007 : 11:55:36 PM
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Yes Faith is pretty lame, Obi. At least on that we can agree.
And what do ya' know...Rich knew the answer! I think. How should I know, when I don't even have a clue.
Thanks Fitz for that info. Think I'll skip in there and take a look! |
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