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Lurking Huron5000
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 Posted - June 23 2006 : 10:15:04 AM
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| I believe he was going to kill Alice sooner or later. I mean, if you watch the Indian who grabs Alice's arm as they leave the Huron village, he withdraws a knife. Also the group escorting Alice and Magua are all fully armed. And Magua was so angry that he INSULTED the sachem (a big no-no in Indian culture), so what was there to stop him from killing her? Certainely not his respect for Sachem. |
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Posted - June 23 2006 : 10:31:56 AM
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| He draws the knife and cuts the ropes binding her hands.... |
Uncas: "some food" |
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Posted - June 24 2006 : 07:47:49 AM
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He draws the knife and cuts the ropes binding her hands....
I think he was sure she won't run away. He thought she was weak. And there were many Hurons with him. So there was no need to tie her up. |
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Irishgirl
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Posted - June 24 2006 : 8:20:34 PM
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| Thought she was weak. She was weak. She was way too timid and shy and barely spoke. I know she was young but she really did not have much backbone and before anyone says something, I don't think taking your own life for whatever reason, is a brave thing to do. More like the easy way out. If she had not jumped and waited a few more minutes her rescuers would have come and saved her. Of course, there are those who say she jumped to be with her beloved Uncas but I just think she was totally scared out of her mind and was lost without Cora to protect her. Magua knew he had nothing to fear from Alice as she was just a lost little girl to him with her big Doe eyes. She was a scared child especially after seeing what Magua just did to poor Uncas and he was a brave warrior. She would never have lasted long in Indian life as she was too soft. |
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Lurking Huron2593
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Posted - June 25 2006 : 8:02:11 PM
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Of course, there are those who say she jumped to be with her beloved Uncas but I just think she was totally scared out of her mind and was lost without Cora to protect her.
I like to think that the fact poor Uncas had just fallen off the cliff played at least SOME part in her decision to jump.. Even if it was just one among ather factors.. |
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Posted - June 25 2006 : 8:03:21 PM
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Sorry, problems logging on again.. Above was me.. |
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Posted - June 26 2006 : 05:34:47 AM
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I like to think that the fact poor Uncas had just fallen off the cliff played at least SOME part in her decision to jump.. Even if it was just one among ather factors..
I agree with irishgirl that killing yourself is not a brave thing and I think fear was the main reason, Uncas has just died right before her eyes and besides Magua reached his arm covered with Uncas' blood!
But I can't help thinking (or at least hoping) that what Uncas did contributed in her decision. I prefer to see it that way. |
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Posted - July 08 2006 : 9:28:53 PM
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Originally posted by Lurking Huron5000
I believe he was going to kill Alice sooner or later. I mean, if you watch the Indian who grabs Alice's arm as they leave the Huron village, he withdraws a knife. Also the group escorting Alice and Magua are all fully armed. And Magua was so angry that he INSULTED the sachem (a big no-no in Indian culture), so what was there to stop him from killing her? Certainely not his respect for Sachem.
Yeah that was me, but like I said, Magua was most likely gonna kill her. And besides, Magua was desperate to wipe out Munro's seed forever. |
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Posted - December 11 2006 : 10:28:35 AM
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| I don't think he had an idea at the time as to what he wanted to do with her at the moment but I do not question that the entire time he knew he was going to treat her as inhumanely as possible. Breeding with her in my opinion is definitely out of the question. Even though he would infect her father's seed by breeding with her, he would inturn be infecting his own seed. |
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Posted - December 11 2006 : 12:19:44 PM
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You realize, of course, by the end of that scene, that Alice and Uncas looked exactly alike: a red, gooey mess on the rocks at the bottom of the cliff! BWAHAHAHAHAHA!  |
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Posted - December 11 2006 : 3:30:53 PM
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| Well, they may have been a red gooey mess (which they weren't...most of their bodies were still in tact) but at least they were finally together....no matter what form it was! |
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Posted - December 11 2006 : 10:49:26 PM
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Didn't see this thread before so I voted...the last option seemed more logical so I casted my vote there.
Irish and I discussed the whole Uncas kill Alice concept in another thread and she won me over to her way of thinking. I doubt Magua would have killed her, having seen his soft side come out when she was contemplating her flying leap(Weeeee! ).
And contrary to belief the NA didn't treat women, not even their captives, like concubines. They may have been extremely cruel, even act as if they didn't exist but raping them was almost unheard of. |
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Posted - December 12 2006 : 12:43:49 AM
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| Very true Light of the Moon. I actually read somewhere that the raping in those times were the traders doing it to the NA women. The most suffering the NA men inflicted on the women from what I read was treating them like animals. No NA tribe even wanted a white skin in their village but if one was brought there as a captive, she was not respected nor treated humanely. |
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Posted - December 12 2006 : 12:54:39 AM
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Yeah, I'm glad they aren't so picky now! I just love caramel!!! |
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Posted - December 12 2006 : 1:31:13 PM
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| Hahahaha! Carmel! MMMMMMMMM! Sticks to the roof of my mouth! |
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Poor little scared Alice would not have lasted long in a tepee with Magua. After one night with "manly Magua" as I shall call him  she would have ended up taking her own life anyway  |
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Posted - December 13 2006 : 10:00:45 AM
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Poor little scared Alice would not have lasted long in a tepee with Magua. After one night with "manly Magua"
I could say something here but I'll keep this thread clean! |
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Posted - December 13 2006 : 10:51:37 AM
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We can all read between the lines, anyway!  |
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OBI! We've missed you, where ya' been?
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