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Wilderness Woman
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 Posted - April 23 2006 : 7:11:43 PM
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Full-scale fighting would be awesome!
You have absolutely no idea how thrilling it can be. The largest re-enactment I have seen was during the 225th Commemoration of the Battles of Saratoga (Revolutionary War). I believe I heard that there were over 1,000 re-enactors there, and there were literally hundreds of soldiers on the field, fighting. It was the most spectacular thing I have ever seen. And it was part of what got me hooked on the 18th century, and interested in becoming a civilian re-enactor. |
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paazau
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Posted - April 23 2006 : 9:28:37 PM
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| That would have been truly spectacular. I hope I can experience it one day. I'm sure it will definitely be "more deeply stirring to my blood than any imaginings could possibly have been." Sorry, I love that line... I'll have to do some reading up on this re-enacting.. sounds like the next best thing to actually living in the 18th century. Not that I've got much chance of doing either, but hey, ya gotta go with what moves ya! |
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alikws
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Posted - April 24 2006 : 1:43:08 PM
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at the 225'th saratoga, there was a night cannon firing. this was near ft.edwards, we were camped on an island
in the middle of lake george [the narrows, picnic island, in the mother bunch] as part of a f&i tactical, we could hear and see the firing, at least 20 miles out, not hard to imagine it was the french, at wm henry... unexpected and cool....
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Irishgirl
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Posted - April 24 2006 : 1:53:03 PM
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| Well I always enjoy the re-enactors at Gettysburg. Been there about 4 or 5 times now and they put on a great show. My husband has had me trapesing all over many's a Civil War Battlefield but Gettysburg is my favorite by far. |
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Bookworm
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Posted - November 07 2006 : 7:32:34 PM
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While searching the Internet for something else the other day, I came across a site that might offer a different way of looking at the burial ground scene:
http://www.rootsweb.com/~pajchs/indianmound.html
Although Juniata County, PA, is directly to the south of Snyder County, where I grew up, I had never before heard of the "Book Indian Mound." According to this article, it was customary for the dead to be placed on platforms or in trees for some time, and when the tribe was planning to move on or it was otherwise appropriate, the dead -- skeletons by then -- were bundled together and interred in mounds. This theory suggests that the burial ground scene of LOTM could be accurate, as it would portray the first stage of this process. Of course, this theory is completely contrary to Fitz's understanding, which is mine also, of how the Indians of the northeast buried their dead. It's worth noting that this explanation of the burial mound is from the 1920's, and archaeology and ethnohistory have undoubtedly advanced quite a bit since then. Also, I think the article's reference to "Algonquin" Indians must be wrong, as the Algonquins were way up north beyond the Huron regions. (If memory serves, they were one of the peoples portrayed in the movie "Black Robe.") Must have meant "Algonquian," a reference to the language group and not the tribe. Anyway, it's an interesting idea. Has anyone else ever heard of this burial practice among the northeastern peoples?
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Light of the Moon
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Posted - November 11 2006 : 3:55:47 PM
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| Blue Jacket's pretty good to. It's done near Columbus, OH usually in Sept. |
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RedFraggle
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Posted - November 12 2006 : 08:26:13 AM
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I realize the original question is somewhat off topic now, but here goes.
In Cooper's book---which may or may not be relevant to the movie, considering it's so different in other ways---the burial ground is a relic of a war between the Mohicans and the Mohawks. Hawkeye and Chingachgook fought in this war and buried the dead themselves---which is why they are OK treading on the gravesite while the more suspicious Huron warriors, who don't know the story behind the mound, are not.
Like I said, don't know if Cooper's original has any bearing on the movie version, but it makes sense, anyway.
By the way, was anyone else who followed the link to the "Book Indian Mound" story appalled by the fact that some of the contents of the mound were ground up and used as fertilizer by local farmers? Yech!  Gross AND a total disrespect of the dead. But I guess maybe that wasn't a big issue in the 1920's. |
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Ridgerunner
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Posted - November 12 2006 : 5:02:32 PM
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I was raised in Lebanon County,PA and one day while a young child my uncle & I visited an Indian cemetary outside of Lebanon,PA.As I was told more than 50 years ago,the Indian dead were placed in trees(platforms)...I never really researched into this.
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Fitzhugh Williams
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Posted - November 12 2006 : 5:04:38 PM
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| This was also done to Egyptain mummies at one time (i.e. made into fertilizer). Gives soilent green a whole new meaning. |
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Monadnock Guide
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Posted - November 12 2006 : 5:31:46 PM
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| Yeah, - but a tasty snack no doubt! ... ;) |
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Bookworm
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Posted - November 12 2006 : 6:19:03 PM
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Yes, RedFraggle, that reference to fertilizer was startling, to say the least. Sounds like respect for other cultures wasn't high on the list of people's concerns in the '20s, or maybe the bones were assumed to be so ancient that they didn't really seem like the remains of PEOPLE anymore.
Welcome, Ridgerunner! (I'm a flatlander myself.) Interesting piece of information about the Indian cemetery in Lebanon County. I guess we shouldn't be surprised at finding an Indian graveyard anywhere, since once, to paraphrase Chingachgook, they were everywhere. |
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Ridgerunner
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Posted - November 12 2006 : 9:53:29 PM
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Bookworm,
I see that you are from Carlisle...are you familiar with the role of the Paxtang Boys during this era? |
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Light of the Moon
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Posted - November 13 2006 : 3:06:54 PM
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Digging up the dead from the mounds, yeah it really happened long ago.
I'll side with you on the whole manure part!
Here in Boone County KY there are numerous Shawnee burial grounds along the OH river and in Hebron itself.
About a year ago a new subdivision was put in and well...you know the rest. They shut up the media right away and stopped construction for a while. I guess once they got an ok from the gov. they went ahead and built on top of it.
Right across the river in Lawrenceburg, IN they found a pioneers graveyard atop a hill. Been there since 1627. Once they received ok from big brother they dug it up and built on top of it too! It's been said that there was some equipment buried with the settlers and that stuff was sold to a museum. Ouch . So much for respect for our heritage.
In the subdivision where my parents live there is a burial mound just beyond the woods bordering their property. A really big one but because it was owned by a farmer until he could verify that the state recognized ir as a historical burial grounds the purchaseres were permitted to build up to a certain distance from it. So at least it has some respect from modern day society.
And if you ever fly into the Northern KY/Cincinnati Airport there are two burial mounds visible by the employee parking lot if you're landing from the northern side. Yep, built their airport right up against it. Funny they don't do that to any other grave yards.
Don't even get me on that soapbox !
I should have been an attorney for NA affairs!
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RedFraggle
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Posted - November 13 2006 : 3:22:20 PM
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Hey, off topic a bit but what the heck. Ridgerunner's post reminded me of this:
My dad claims that he has seen somewhere in the Arkansas-Tennessee area a cave with adobe dwellings in it. Every year when I was a kid and my family went on vacation he would spend hours looking for this site. We all thought he was making it up because we never found it and park rangers in all the areas investigated just gave us funny looks. Anybody out there know of anything like this? Just curious.... |
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Light of the Moon
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Posted - November 16 2006 : 9:24:39 PM
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I'd check with the Chamber of Commerce or maybe known historians. The chamber could probably point you in the right direction.
Another idea ...a library or bookstore (Barnes & Nobles will probably be best for this research) would have history books on NA history and their locations and life styles.
If my studies were correct then that area was inhabited by the Seneca, the Cherokee, the Chicksaw, and the Shawnee (mid 1700's).
If your Dad can recall the tribe that would have lived in that area you could always go straight to their website and contact council.
Wes will also be a pretty good reference. If he ain't an historian by now then he's missed his calling!
Now that my curiosity is struck I'll be doing some searching too. Good luck!
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