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Adele
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 Posted - October 21 2002 : 03:53:58 AM
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Originally posted by SgtMunro:
As far as your remarks concerning the Third Reich in the role of antagonist, you obviously are not a student of military history. World War 2 begain with the Treaty of Versailles...
Sgt. Duncan Munro
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"Nemo Me Impune Lacessit"
The Treaty of Versailles may have been one of the reasons why WWII came about....but that is not when WWII started. It was started when, two days after Hitler invaded Poland, Britain and France declared war on Germany.
I find your reference to WWII as Winston Churchills 'European Adventure' suggestive that it was a war fought for one mans whim. As someone who lost practically one whole side of my family in the concentration camps, I believe that more than any war, this was one that was wholly justified. I would be interested to hear your argument to the contrary.
No-one is saying that you cannot bring up these wars in discussion, by I am not seeing their relevance to the current debate. You seemed to raise the subject as a reason why Europeans should not feel free to comment on the government or politics of the USA, or have I misunderstood?
HM
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SgtMunro
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Posted - October 21 2002 : 05:00:04 AM
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I did not say that it was an unjust war, but it was one that was preventable. After WW1, the French and British both levied punitive economic damages against Germany. This was done after Germany had complied with ALL of the surrender demands (Unlike Saddam Hussein). In turn this caused an depression in Germany without precedence, making the field ripe for a Hitler to rise to power. Now Hitler could have been stopped during his 'land grab' program (ie. Alsace-Lorraine, Sudatenland, Austria, etc.), but the other European 'powers' failed to do so (Thus would have stopped his plan for world domination, during the embryonic stage). So even though Hitler was the one to fire the first gun on that September day, Britain and France both spent the preceeding twenty years 'loading the gun for him'. The logic of my original statement stands.
Your Humble Servant,
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SgtMunro
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Posted - October 21 2002 : 06:18:50 AM
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'You seemed to raise the subject as a reason why Europeans should not feel free to comment on the government or politics of the USA, or have I misunderstood? '
Where you have gotten this idea is beyond me. My statement was "Europeans have little to say on the subject of any type of incompetence". You clearly have taken that quote out of context. I did not say that Europeans have NOTHING to say...., but that it was another way of saying "People in glass houses should not throw stones". Ms. Ilse told me to 'lighten up', perhaps you should take her advice. This is an open forum, after all.
Your Humble Servant,
Sgt. Duncan Munro
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Adele
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Posted - October 21 2002 : 08:51:10 AM
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Originally posted by SgtMunro:
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'You seemed to raise the subject as a reason why Europeans should not feel free to comment on the government or politics of the USA, or have I misunderstood? '
Where you have gotten this idea is beyond me. My statement was "Europeans have little to say on the subject of any type of incompetence". You clearly have taken that quote out of context. I did not say that Europeans have NOTHING to say...., but that it was another way of saying "People in glass houses should not throw stones". Ms. Ilse told me to 'lighten up', perhaps you should take her advice. This is an open forum, after all.
Your Humble Servant,
Sgt. Duncan Munro
Capt. Graham's Coy
1/42nd Royal Highlanders
"Nemo Me Impune Lacessit"
Exactly...this is an open forum...and all I am trying to do by asking questions, is to understand your original point. It is not a question of 'lightening up', I am simply trying to ensure I do not misunderstand you.
By the way, we all live in glass houses, and there is a big difference between throwing stones...and peering in!
HM
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richfed
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 Posted - October 21 2002 : 12:59:08 PM
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Definitely a bit of misunderstanding here, so everbody ... STAY CALM!!! 
SgtMunro ... You're a most welcomed new addition to the mix here. Thanks for coming aboard!!!
Huggy ... is about the "lightest" person I know [I mean that in a positive light!] ... and a wonderful part of the happenings here!
Two good folks ... we must find a way to communicate! Actually, you're working it out. Stay cool, and it will!
One thing I've learned in the 5 and a half years of "hosting" this board ... Europeans [generally] & Americans [generally] see things in a very different way. Just accept it! We're Allies, after all!!!
Carry on!
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SgtMunro
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Posted - October 21 2002 : 4:22:14 PM
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I understand, Rich, I meant no offense. I was stationed in HM's country for more than three years (from there I deployed all over Europe, SW Asia, WesPac, etc.), so I do have some insight into the mindset of both the British and Europeans. You think we don't see eye to eye, the Brits and Euros seldom do as well. You should go to some of their football games sometime, strong national identity, display of combative prowess, excellent body checks and all this while there is also an athletic competition on the field as well:) !
As a soldier, I excercised alot with soldiers from UK, Germany and other NATO countries. We did have differing views on alot of things, except for low pay, poor food, long trips from home and hazardous working conditions, these we all had in common.
I do hope HM, Ilse and I can continue in debate (you may even fingd I am in agreement with you on some subjects), I quite enjoy it.
Your Humble Servant,
Sgt. Duncan Munro
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Posted - October 21 2002 : 4:28:01 PM
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P.S.- Manchester United was always my team, I still have my scarf. And who could forget that tragic incident at the Liverpool game in '87, remember the memorial song that came out afterwards?
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SgtMunro
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Posted - October 22 2002 : 2:54:31 PM
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Take care Anothony, I wish you a safe trip and speedy return.
Sgt. Duncan Munro
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securemann
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Posted - October 22 2002 : 3:25:15 PM
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North to Alaska.....Alaska?!! Gonna miss ya pal.Hope everything works out o.k.Be careful of the Eskimos on Halloween they throw whale blubber not eggs.Just kidding.Have a safe trip and it was nice to converse with you here in cyberspace.
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Bea
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Posted - October 23 2002 : 10:58:42 AM
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Well, at least you know that we would miss you terribly!!
Manchester United is an awesome team. A good friend of mine hails from this town! But- my heart will always root for Bayern Muenchen!!! My kid has plenty of their jerseys..And no, he won't share! :0
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securemann
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Posted - October 23 2002 : 3:52:34 PM
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Real funny Anth...You had me all worried about Eskimos throwing whale blubber at you instead of eggs.
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SgtMunro
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Posted - October 24 2002 : 12:58:38 AM
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Anthony,
I am glad that I do not have to wait till next summer to hear from you. Keep on being you, brother.
Your Humble Servant,
Sgt. Duncan Munro
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Dark Woods
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Posted - October 25 2002 : 7:17:42 PM
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Re Al Gore's Questions:
My thinking on Iraq is that the Administration's actual policy with respect to "weapons of mass destruction" appears to be at odds with its stated policy.
For example, the stated policy can be paraphrased as: "The US will preemptively attack a country that is developing weapons of mass destruction."
Given the mild response to North Korea's admission to a nuclear weapons program, the Administration's actual policy appears to be:
"The US will preemptively attack a country that is developing weapons of mass destruction, provided that we can win quickly and easily."
That policy implies that if the country is difficult to invade or defeat (such as Korea), we are willing to use a policy of deterrence. We deter them from using their weapons of mass destruction by the threat of massive retaliation.
Obviously, practicality should be considered in foreign policy. We should also recognize that the Adminstration is choosing war, (rather than deterence) for Iraq, and deterrence (rather than war) for North Korea. While the War on Terrorism was forced upon us, the Attack on Iraq is a War of Choice.
Dark Woods
In response to a question from Sept. 27
"Dark Woods,
I'd be interested in learning what you think about the questions Al Gore raised?
Ilse"
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Dark Woods
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Posted - November 04 2008 : 4:39:27 PM
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Originally posted by Dark Woods
Below are the presidential candidates that I voted for since I was of voting age.
1972 George McGovern Democrat
1976 Eugene McCarthy Independent
1980 Ronald Reagan* Republican
1984 Ronald Reagan* Republican
1988 George Bush* Republican
1992 Ross Perot Reform
1996 Bob Dole Republican
2000 Ralph Nader Green
2004 Michael Badnarik Libertarian
2008 Bob Barr Libertarian
<img src=../messageboard/icon_smile_confused.gif border=0 align=middle>
* means that I voted for the successful candidate.
<img src=../messageboard/icon_smile_confused.gif border=0 align=middle> (As strange as it may seem, I'm not certain whether Nader was Independent or Green. I will update his affiliation if that is clarified.)
Perhaps a few others are willing to confess their past presidential predilictions. I would suspect that my voting pattern is rather more variable (or pehaps "weirder" is more descriptive) than that of many people.
I have updated my previous quote to include 2004 and 2008 |
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Posted - November 04 2008 : 5:27:30 PM
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| Country certainly has changed, - I live just about two blocks from a school where there's voting. For some reason, I have to drive halfway across the city to another school to actually vote. In any case, - when I voted this morning, aside from the folks working there, I was about the only one that spoke English. |
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Monadnock Guide
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Posted - November 04 2008 : 9:12:00 PM
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Story #4: Republicans File Lawsuit in New Hampshire
RUSH: New Hampshire is another state that is thought to be in the Barry bag, but Barry didn't win New Hampshire. Hillary did, and they've got Barry up 14 points in New Hampshire. But I have a spy in New Hampshire. Here's the report. Turnout very, very heavy, 20 to 25% of registered voters in this particular district where the spy is -- they're both small towns -- voted in the first two hours. I don't know what to make of that, nobody does. Twenty to 25% voted in the first two hours. New Hampshire is 96% white and independents, and they've gone McCain the last two cycles. And yet local state polls say it is a Barry 14% margin. So if it is an Obama 14% margin, then why this? Fox just reported that the Republican Party has filed suit in New Hampshire against the secretary of state. They say that in a number of precincts Republican Party poll watchers are being kept as far as 40 feet from the new registrations table so that they're unable to verify new voters against the records of new registrations. So they're trying to steal New Hampshire. They've kicked Republican monitors out in Philadelphia because, as minority party, they have no right to be there, according to a liberal judge. The Republican Party hopes to have this case heard by a judge in the next couple minutes so the illegal situations could be corrected immediately. But no Republicans allowed at the new registrations table. |
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Obediah
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Dillon1836
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Posted - November 05 2008 : 1:35:43 PM
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First time voting.
2008- Barack Obama.
I was certainly awed by John McCain's final speech. Proud of him too. Last night was quite the spectacle. |
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Kaylynn44
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Posted - November 05 2008 : 8:33:03 PM
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I think that this is the way that it went. Like others, age makes you forget a few things, but I think that they are in order.
Jimmy Carter (D) 
Jimmy Carter (D)
Ronald Reagan (R)
George H. Bush (R)
Bill Clinton (D)
Bill Clinton (D)
George W. Bush (R)
John Kerry (D)
John McCain (R)
Love,
Kay
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As long as goodness exists
Winds shall always soothe
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Posted - November 06 2008 : 07:53:11 AM
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Considering that I didn't turn 18 until 1985, my first Presidential Election wasn't until 1988 (Although, I was a big fan of President Ronald Reagan). From that year forward my choices were:
1988- George H.W. Bush (R)
1992- George H.W. Bush (R)
1996- Robert Dole (R)
2000- George W. Bush (R)
2004- George W. Bush (R)
2008- John S. McCain (R)
YMH&OS,
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Obediah
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Posted - November 06 2008 : 09:03:02 AM
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| Back in the day...before the law of the land changed, I couldn't vote till age 21, otherwise my first choice would have been between LBJ and Barry Goldwater (the first maverick from Arizona!) |
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Posted - November 06 2008 : 10:27:33 AM
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All right, I'll fess up too. I've only voted in two elections (sadly, I was one of those "Why bother to vote?" people before the 2004 election), and both times my vote went to the democrats, even though I'm technically registered as "unaffiliated."
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