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jlee
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 Posted - July 17 2004 : 7:16:57 PM
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has anyone ever thought about excactly why did Magua extend his hand to Alice right before she jumps? was it because he felt sorry for her, and he just slaughtered the man who loved her passionatly? or was it because he wanted to take her back with him so he could take his revenge and do whatever he wanted with her? he was most concerned about killing the "dark-haired one", if that had anything to do with it. i personally think it was because he remembered what it felt like to loose a loved one, and felt sorry for her because he knew the pain she was feeling at that moment. i would like to hear what yall think.
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Diane B.
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Posted - July 18 2004 : 10:53:28 AM
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If you want to get a "first hand" perspective on the whole Cliff Scene, you should check out the interview that Mohican Press (MP) did with Wes Studi several years ago (great interview by the way, Sachem Rich!!). Here's the link: http://www.mohicanpress.com/mo06018.html
One of the things discussed in this interview was the Cliff Scene. This part of the interview sheds some interesting light on what Wes believes that Magua was thinking, and Wes also gives his opinion regarding a question that's often asked on this Board, "Why do you think Alice jumped?" Here is some of what Wes had to say:
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MP: Tell us what Magua was thinking ... what were his emotions?
WS: Okay, what happened is I kill a guy ... look over and there’s this baby ... I think of my daughter ... I have a daughter about the same age ... I think of my daughter and I look up and at first it’s “here’s another enemy.” Then I see that it’s only a child, and a female child at that. So I think, “well, maybe I should take it and raise it” ... in terms of what Magua was thinking. Then it looks at me in fright and jumps and it comes back to me that “ oh, this is one of those people. One of those people and I don’t understand how they think anyway. It’s just as well.” And he walks off.
MP: That was a great scene. Why do you think Alice jumps off that cliff?
WS: I think she was terrified.
MP: The reason we ask is that there has been a lot of discussion regarding Alice’s motives. Some say it was fear, some that it was defiance. Strong act, weak act.
WS: I don’t think she had the time to look down and see that her lover had ... he was supposed to be her lover. In cutting I don’t know if that came through but she was supposed to have been in love with Uncas ... whether it was a jump to join her dead lover, as in a Romeo & Juliet kind of thing, or out and out fright in vain, I think it would have been the latter. It WOULD have been the latter. That’s my understanding of it.
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richfed
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Posted - July 19 2004 : 05:20:15 AM
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Why thank you, RSW! And a whole lot of fun to do it was!
I think Wes is quite clear on the film's projected intentions regarding this scene ... |
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Lurking Huron3088
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Posted - July 20 2004 : 04:23:44 AM
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i thought Magua was suddenly struck how young Alice was at the moment..and almost felt sorry for her. |
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Posted - July 20 2004 : 1:28:03 PM
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Back from the dead, I guess I am...it's been a while since I posted. A funny story...at the Gathering....uhh, two years ago?? when Wes Studi was the guest....my brother Three Tales, my cousin Seamus, my son Andrew, and myself..... all dressed in our "real clothes" sat in the front row of the movie theater and when "Magua" got up on the stage to introduce the film and say a few words, he looked at us and we made the "gesture" from the cliff.....he burst out laughing and said, "nice move, fellas!"....that was a good time!! Just saw Wes in Tony Hillerman's "A Thief of Time" or something like that.....it was very good!
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UncasLover13
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Posted - July 23 2004 : 8:47:26 PM
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I would have to say that I think that he realized how young she is as LurkingHuron3088 said. I mean, he realized she had been through a lot. He did, I think, kind of feel sorry for her for losing the man she loved therefor, reaching for her to come with him to live. That's my take on it. :)
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Chris
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Posted - July 23 2004 : 9:51:48 PM
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Now, how does Magua know that Uncas and Alice loved one another?? How does he know Uncas was trying to rescue her? He never saw them together. All he knows is that this crazy man comes out from behind a rock and starts swinging through his men, then attacks him. I agree he may have realized how young Alice was, and may have had some pity for her, but I don't believe it was because the man she loved died.
JMHO.
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Posted - July 24 2004 : 06:37:47 AM
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Naaahhh....don't give Magua any type of romantic "feel good" feelings.....the gesture simply meant....."hey, come to me and we've got to keep on moving...let's go!".....and when she jumped, his look is ....what's the French.....I know I won't spell this correctly....Doris Day, help me out.. "che sara, sara!!...her choice!!".....and then off he goes!! Remember, this is MAGUA we're talking of!!
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Posted - July 24 2004 : 09:10:02 AM
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"Que sera sera, Whatever will be will be. The future's not ours to see. Que sera sera. What will be will be." Oh. 'Scuse me. 
Just call me Doris.
Anyway, UL13, we have had lots of discussions on this scene and we all seem to agree that whatever tiny bit of "gentleness" may have appeared on Magua's face was very, very fleeting. Magua was not a kind and gentle person, except perhaps where his wife and family were concerned.
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Posted - July 24 2004 : 10:20:13 AM
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Que sera sera, huh? I think his feeling was more of an "Alllllllll-righty then!" Not quite so exaggerated as Ace Venture might exclaim it, but more of a..."OK, ....next!" kind of feeling.
That Magua...ya gotta love 'im!
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Posted - July 24 2004 : 1:23:53 PM
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| You are exactly right there, WW and GG...this is Magua, you're speaking of...it's sort of like my cousin Malcolm, the 1st Sjt., when he goes into battle.....all business....no emotion.....do the job!! That's what survival and having military responsibility is all about....Magua was a survivalist and his goal was to win in his way.....Many Flags of the Allemaengel, brother to the Lenape |
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Magua's hand gesture to Alice
