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Wilderness Woman
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 Posted - October 29 2003 : 6:53:41 PM
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Ohmigosh! I am so jazzed I can hardly stand it! I just found out that on Dec. 2nd and 3rd A & E will be showing two brand new episodes of... (drum roll).....
Horatio Hornblower!!!
I love these movies!! I love Ioan Gruffudh!! I'd love to be able to remember exactly how to spell his name!! Whoopee!!
Wow. Master and Commander... and Horatio Hornblower... all within a few weeks of each other. The anticipation is more than I can bear!
Are there any other Hornblower fans out there?
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Diana
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I am excited too. Not only will we see Horatio, Captain Pellew (Robert Lindsay), Captain Hammond, Styles and Matthews and Bracegirdle are back. There are some new characters as well.
It is based on 'Hornblower and The Hotspur'. I think you will enjoy the two episodes.
This is great for us who love the 1700s.
Diana
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Wilderness Woman
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Posted - November 08 2003 : 3:22:20 PM
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Yes!! Another Horatio fan!! WooHoo!
Captain Pellew. Now there's a good man. He's honest and fair, plus he believes in and appreciates the talents and abilities of Horatio.
What? Are there no other Horatio fans on this board? Scott Bubar? I though perhaps you would be?
You can go here to view the trailer.
www.aetv.com/tv/shows/horatio_hornblower/ |
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Scott Bubar
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Posted - November 09 2003 : 12:07:38 PM
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Well, I was a big fan when I was about thirteen.
The problem with reading O'Brian is that he spoils you for everything else.
I did see one or two of the Gruffudd movies, but they did not leave much of an impression. I'm afraid young Ioan's charms are a bit lost on me. And the ships (the ones that weren't CGI) seemed a bit "off" to me as I recall.
Still, they were fairly painless, and it's not exactly a buyer's market, so I'll do my best to catch these new ones.
Thanks for the heads-up! |
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Posted - November 24 2003 : 12:06:13 PM
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Another HH and Ioan Gruffudd fan here! I can't wait. The DVDs are due out in about two weeks, if I remember correctly. Though, last I knew the movies were set @ 1802, Diana. 
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Posted - November 24 2003 : 10:40:44 PM
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Hi Daire! Nice to see you out on the trail again! 
Well, it seems that the HH fans who are coming forward are all females! Hmmmmm. Perhaps Mr. Scott Yangese has a point when he speaks of Young Ioan's charms. 
I have no clue whether the ships, or anything else for that matter, are accurate or "a bit off." I know that the HH movies don't even come close to comparing with M & C, and I don't really care about that. I simply enjoy the story lines and the characterizations. It's good escapism!
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Posted - November 25 2003 : 2:36:00 PM
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Hey WW! I check in once in a while. Been lurking, mostly. :)
I've seen Ioan in a few other things, and he's better than others out there.
Pfft, I couldn't tell you if anything on those ship are accurate or not, it looks like it belongs in the era and that works for me! Though, I'm sure a fire extinguisher lying around wouldn't be accurate. heh heh
I enjoyed M&C, but like HH better. Perhaps with the opening for more M&C movies, and more to see of those books, it might catch up to my fondness for HH. :D
Ditto on the escapism!
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Posted - December 07 2003 : 12:47:32 AM
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Okay, now that I've seen the two new HH's...while good and enjoyable, they aren't up to snuff with the first 6...I feel sorry for the poor guy not loving Maria...I don't feel he really had a duty to her outside of friendship if he doesn't love her...and holy cheesy FX! I've seen other tv movies with better CGI. I don't usually look for those flaws, but they were REALLY obvious to me. With a 2 year wait for the next installment(s), maybe they can find better CGI people.
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Scott Bubar
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Posted - December 07 2003 : 09:08:32 AM
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OK, here's the sort of thing I'm talking about. Square Sail Shipyard, Limited maintains a small fleet of square-rigged vessels which, among other things, are available for hire by the film/TV industry.
This is one of their vessels (this shot comes from the Visit Cumbria since it shows the lines better than the views at Square Sails' site):
This is the Earl of Pembroke, originally built in Sweden in 1948 for the Baltic timber trade.
Here are the folks at the shipyard tarting the Earl up for her role as Hornblower's sloop (i.e. "sloop of war") Hotspur:
They're doing a pretty good job, but they cannot hide the basic lines of the ship, which are out of place in the Napoleonic era, though she could easily "pass" for a mid to late nineteenth centry merchant vessel. It's been decades since I read the book, but I also think it unlikely that a three-masted RN sloop-of-war would be barque-rigged. I believe ship-rigged was standard.
You can say I'm being nitpicky, and you'd be right, but the dissonance created is enough to jar me out of the illusion and suspension of belief necessary to feeling one is in the period. It's rather like seeing a '56 Chevy in a movie set in the twenties.
By the way, I did catch a bit of the series on A & E the other night. Unfortunately I guess I fell asleep, but I'll give it another shot next time.
I know the distaff side is quite taken with young Gruffud, but frankly, there's something I find quite irritating about him. |
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Posted - December 07 2003 : 2:28:57 PM
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I set out to watch the movies knowing that there would be no way they could compare to M & C, due to a much smaller budget. True, the CGIs were not nearly as good and the details were apparently not as accurate, but all-in-all, I still enjoyed them. The love-story line was not my favorite either, Daire. I wonder if that was true to the books?
About a year ago, I watched the old movie with a very young Gregory Peck playing Captain Hornblower. (Yum!!!) In that movie, he was already married with a young son. While at sea, he met and fell in love with another woman but put her aside because of his wife. Then when he arrived home, he found that his wife had died so he was free to be with his new/true love. Never having read the books, I don't know if that was original to them. It will be interesting to see how this series handles the story.
Scott, yes I do enjoy Ioan Gruffudd quite a lot, but I also really like the other regular characters in the stories too. As I said before, Captain/Admiral Pellew is a man to admire. I also like the loyalty of the old sea salts Stiles and Matthews, as well as Mr. Bush.
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Posted - December 07 2003 : 2:47:38 PM
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All right. After I posted, I was inspired to check the A$E site, and found that both episodes were being re-run from 10am-2pm.
I was able to watch "Loyalty" with a few interruptions, and I must say I found it very entertaining. For all my squawkin' about the vessels, this really wasn't a stumbling block for me. I did find my credulity was stretched by some of the hair's breath escapes and last-second rescues, but I think we can lay this at Forester's doorstep.
Gruffud's wearing of the cocked hat during the gale was highly amusing. (BTW, I think they wore them athwartships rather than fore-and-aft at this point in time.) Also amusing in the second episodes were the snowflakes that didn't stick, and in the rare instances where they did stick, even directly on skin, didn't melt. I suppose I'm acutely sensitive to this point because it's finally stopped snowing here for the time being after nearly thirty-six hours of the stuff, and I've got to go and clean some of it off at soon.
I'm afraid I wasn't able to pay as close attention to the 2nd episode. I left it running, but had things to do, and frankly my attention span was growing thin (this was the one I fell asleep on). I lost track of the story line. The last quarter-hour seemed quite exciting, but I had no idea what was going on.
One thing that did bother me was that it took so long for him to be posted captain in spite of his record, and in spite of the fact that he was so chummy with the Admiral (it would have been rather unusual for a Lieutenant such as Hornblower to have had such attention from an Admiral). But again, I think this is a problem with Forester's original story, and not the C&S series. |
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Posted - December 07 2003 : 6:46:50 PM
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From what I've been able to glean, having not read the books either, his relationship with Maria does stem from them that way...and gets worse! BUT, apparently, the "based on" the C.S. Forester books is quite right.
Now, details about ship lines and rigging are beyond me. LOL Though, I had wondered about the hat direction, thinking all the officers should have been wearing them athwartships like Mr. Prowse.
I enjoy Styles and Matthews as well, as their own characters and give some loyal seafarers to follow HH. I think his "chumminess" with Adm. Pellew came from the earlier installments when the Admiral was actually on a ship HH was on as a Midshipman and Lt.
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Posted - December 08 2003 : 1:19:01 PM
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Scott, I wanted to say thanks for posting those two links. I was finally able to go and check them out. I found the Square Sail Shipyard to be very interesting. I would have never thought of a company/shipyard having a business catering to the filming industry.
When I was growing up in the 50s and 60s, my Dad would take us to Portland (Oregon) every June to the Rose Festival to see the ships. They bring several modern Navy ships up the Columbia River and into the Willamette and dock them along the wall in downtown Portland. (They still do this!) Along with the submarines and smaller fighting ships, there would always be a tall sailing ship... sometimes from Japan... or other countries.
I think these experiences, along with seeing the movie "Windjammer"...Click here... (about the Norwegian sailing ship Christian Radich), created in me an early fascination with the great sailing ships. I think they are some of the most beautiful things man has ever created. One of my dreams before I leave this earth is to be able to see in person... somewhere... the great Tall Ships under full sail. |
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| I think there is a sailing ship parade in New York Harbor most years the week of July 4th. For a ride on a Hudson River Sloop, the Clearwater travels between NYC and Albany most summers and again in the fall for the pumpkin run. |
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| I watched the one "Duty" and was sorely disappointed in the content. The story line was so flimsy and farcical. A man in a rowboat who's been left behind hours before can catch up to and find a Ship of the Line in a gale? A boarding party of Frenchmen come aboard ..(from where?) in the gale. The french are so blind that as they trundle their cannon along the road only yards from the edge of the cliff they don't see the British ship lying at anchor in the bay? So close are they that the shot is made through their legs and the wheels of the cart to Hornblower and his #2 peeking over the cliff with the "Hotspur" riding plainly in view behind them??? The Capt's steward is arrested for striking the Officer, while the crewman who was instigating all the trouble about the Capt's orders to feed the "Guests" goes free? The #2 totally disobeys a direct order to shoot the Irish rogue (whatever his name was) and isn't cashiered? Too many silly plot ideas...Nope .. I'll not waste any money on this series. |
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Posted - December 09 2003 : 12:45:36 PM
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Hawk...
Perhaps the story wasn't up to snuff, but I have to say it's more entertaining than a lot of other crap on TV these days. JMO  |
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Posted - December 19 2003 : 4:25:11 PM
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I enjoy BOTH of them--M&C and HH. As long as the subject deals with the 1700's.
Just picked up THE MAKING OF MASTER AND COMMANDER. It is really nice.
Last, if it hadn't been for HH, I probably wouldn't be here because it was over there that I heard about all of you.
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Posted - December 19 2003 : 7:13:30 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by Diana
Just picked up THE MAKING OF MASTER AND COMMANDER. It is really nice.
Diana, is that a book or a video?
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Last, if it hadn't been for HH, I probably wouldn't be here because it was over there that I heard about all of you.
Where??? Another discussion board?? Tell me!! |
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Posted - December 22 2003 : 11:07:46 AM
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Wilderness Woman (and anyone else who is interested).
I picked up a copy of the book, MAKING OF... at my local Barnes and Noble bookstore. I found it in the TV/Film section.
There are at least two discussion boards that I know about--
#1 at www.aande.com under the DISCUSSIONS section. This one has been around since 1999. Guess A&E did not bank on its popularity at the time.
The other is a private offshoot of the above which was started about one (1) year ago. www.horatians.org.
Have fun!
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Posted - January 31 2005 : 07:53:43 AM
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| This series is mesmerizing. But how can they leave us with Maria pregnant & no new episodes? Any news for 2005? |
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Whitney, I haven't seen or read anything about more movies in the series. Last time, it seemed as though there was a gap of about 3 years between them. I hope it won't be as long this time, but "young Ioan", as Scott always called him, has been pretty busy lately with a growing career. So......... who knows?
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