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Sjt. Malcolm MacWilliam
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 Posted - July 17 2003 : 09:49:50 AM
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Those of us who reenact characters that are "pirate-like" (Highlanders and Longhunters), will especially like this movie. I thought it was a hoot!! Very entertaining, uhhh, no redeeming value or philosophical message...BUT, lots of fun. Johnny Depp's character, Capt. Jack Sparrow, is great and so are all the other main characters and minor ones (like the two British soldiers team and the two pirates team...fake eye!!) Anyway, go see it and have some fun.....I'm GLAD I'm a 50 year old who enjoys dressing in 18th century clothing, carrying weapons, and shouting ARRRRRR whenever I like!! Slante', Pax Aye, and God Save the King!!! Sjt. MacWilliam
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Posted - July 17 2003 : 10:12:56 AM
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Sjt. MacWilliam,
Thanks for the good words about this movie - it's on my schedule for viewing this very night! Ahhh...to be sure, it must be liberatin' to swagger and sneer whilst ARRRRRRing to your heart's content!
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SgtMunro
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Posted - July 17 2003 : 10:22:23 AM
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I too will have to see this movie. Any production which involves black powder and cold steel is worthy of note. Until then, I will have the image of Sgt. MacWilliam with a parrot on his shoulder and a patch over his eye standing on the quarterdeck of a man-o-war, burned into my mind. See you at Bushy Run, Malcom, we can partake in a wee dram. I also look forward to seeing Maj. Croy, Capt. Campbell, Pte. Glenn and the rest of the 77th Grenadier Company.
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Posted - July 17 2003 : 12:31:05 PM
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All right, 18th century buffs, a little challenge. I realize this is not the kind of movie you pick apart to see what's wrong (we can save that for "Master and Commander" in November - LOL). BUT, did you catch any "cool stuff" they got RIGHT?
I caught two things that I thought were really cool: the use of the "over the elbow" bayonet charge by the marines; and the proper use of chain shot (one of my favorite moments in the movie). Any others?
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Wilderness Woman
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Posted - July 17 2003 : 12:56:29 PM
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Well! I am very glad to see this thread! Because I was wondering just how I was going to justify going to see this movie, besides the fact that I love swashbucklers, and have loved them ever since I saw "The Crimson Pirate" with Burt Lancaster on TV as a teen. Now I know.
I think it looks, and sounds, like great Escapism... and a whole lot of fun!
ARRRRRRRR, Matey!!
P.S. What, please... is "chain shot"? |
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Sjt. Malcolm MacWilliam
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Posted - July 17 2003 : 1:06:05 PM
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| Two Kettles...I have to think about what IS right....cause I did not watch it for that reason, knowing it would have very little authenticity. I also noticed the bayonet charge, however, that means it was before about 1768 when drill was changing to the under-the-arm which is done in Rev. War period. I also noticed the chain shot. There WAS something else they got right which I was sort of amazed at and I gave it a "silent cheer", but will have to review my memory for that. A few blatant things...Will Turner's "costume" at the end which was more 1600s (3 musketeers) style. The stays of Elizabeth laced in BOTH front and back, so they could be laced from the back by the maid and slit open from the front by Sparrow!! But, it was all in fun. Sparrow had a lot of STUFF in his hair, ears and beard. What was the white boney thing stuck in his hair on his right side? I KNOW something I liked...when Elizabeth was fighting off the two pirates (fake eye) in her home and they were chasing her around, she reached above the fireplace to pull one of the swords out of the crest (shield), as they often do in swashbuckler movies AND the sword wouldn't come out. Huzzah!! Sjt. MacWilliam (Aye, Munro, see you at Bushy!) |
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Lady Ann
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Posted - July 17 2003 : 1:28:56 PM
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Ah, truly one of the better movies of the season. As one who has literally grown up in the shadow of the Mouse and its vaunted Pirates attraction, this film was an unexpected delight. The MacLeod, who is currently working at Disney World in a facility adjacent to the Pirates of the Carribean, has observed, most curiously, that Disney is NOT doing any merchandising tie-in with the movie at the Pirates gift shop...no Johnny Depp leather tricorns, no Orlando Bloom puffy shirts..the world as we know it must be ending. MacWilliams take note of the "spirited" discussion between Miss Swann and Captain Sparrow regarding the evils of demon rum...(Cpt. Sparrow: "But why did you burn the rum?") And my personal favorite, the discourse on pain...(Miss Swann: "Pain? Try wearing a corset!"). A lady after my own heart on such matters....
Note to Doc Mary: Are you sure you weren't hired as a consultant for this film? I seem to detect your personal touch in scripting and wardrobe.. |
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Posted - July 17 2003 : 1:33:56 PM
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| This Pirate movie is going to be a real pain up here in Lake George. Ed Bethel and his Speakman's (Spikeman's) rangers are frequently out on the lake in their Bateau with the swivel cannon..Invariably they are going to be pointed at and called pirates, much more that they have in the past...which annoys them. I have already been pointed to by various persons and heard the word "pirate". My Queen Ann(e) pistol and attire is real close to the Long John Silver look. I have made an eye patch and have a 2" diameter clip-on ear ring that I will be wearing from now on as I don't want to buck the trend. Smart as paint I'll be. Regards, Tim |
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Sjt. Malcolm MacWilliam
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Posted - July 17 2003 : 2:23:05 PM
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| Aye, "Smart as paint, Jim 'awkins!!"...My cousin Many Flags, who sports an old tricorn, is often mistaken for a pirate, and he doesn't even have an eyepatch, carry pistols, or wear rings in his ears!!. Reminds me of the year when that trash "The Patriot" came out and us soldiers of the King were often asked, "Shot any young boys lately, or burned any churches!" Our answer was usually, (in true Scottish accent), "ARRR, but not at the same time!" We have marched in the Lititz, PA parade (doing our Rev. War, 42nd Grenadier impression) for 4 years and the cursed year of "The Patriot" we were booed. Every other year, we were cheered!! Ahhh, the power of the flick!! Now, 'tis back to me pistols, musket, bayonet, sword, dirk, halberd, and other sharp objects which I carry on me body! "Tis good to be a Scottish pirate!! Slante', Pax Aye! Sjt. Malcolm MacWilliam |
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Seamus
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Posted - July 17 2003 : 3:05:24 PM
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Cousin Malcolm!! My lads of 3rd Battalion Pennsylvania have formed an offshoot of The Augusta Regiment, operating out of Ft. Augusta, and plying both Branches of the river. "Pirates of the Susquehanna" had its maiden voyage Saturday in a pireau (painted green and sporting the King's Broad Arrow, no less!) built by Cpl. Reeder and Pvt. Buehler. They only swamped it once, and were able to bail it out and continue on their adventure. I can safely report that they did not catch one Waverunner or ski boat. They were a bit depressed, but with practice, they say, they will achieve their dreams of becoming the scourge of the West Branch. Shipping will not be safe between Lewisburg and Montgomery! Arrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!!!!!!!!!!!
Oh, yes......I tried to tell them that they HAVE to find a parrot......a chicken just does not look right. |
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Many Flags
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Posted - July 17 2003 : 4:44:54 PM
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ARRR, cuzzin Seamus, sounds like a good 'un to me....I wil enlist in yer little adventure on the Suskehanna....sounds like a grand time!! Many Flags (closest thing to a pirate smilie) |
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Posted - July 19 2003 : 3:11:56 PM
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| now i am really lost in the wilderness. i really enjoyed reading all yours vivid descriptions. i will check out the film if my son will take me. now you know who is saying "aye,aye sir". |
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SgtMunro
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Posted - July 22 2003 : 01:41:49 AM
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Wilderness Woman,
To answer your question, "What is chain-shot?" Chain-shot was quite literally two cannon balls connected by a length of iron chain. The balls were loaded end-to-end with the chain coiled between them. The purpose of such a diabolical looking round of ordinance was the destruction of an enemy ship's rigging (masts, sails and support lines). The drawback to the use of this particular gun round was that it required a double load of powder to be effective, and its range was severly limited. However, it was very effective at completing its designed task, and was adopted by all of the worlds navies during the time of 'Wooden Ships and Iron Men'.
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Serjeant-Major Duncan Munro
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Wilderness Woman
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 Posted - July 22 2003 : 10:29:41 AM
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Thank you, Sgt. Munro, for answering my question. I went to see the movie last night, and saw the "chain shot" for myself. I also appreciate knowing the reasons for its use. Thanks again!
Now for the movie...
Hoo-HOO!! What great fun! I loved every minute of it. It completely satisfied my desire for a good, old-fashioned (with a twist or two!), swashbuckler movie.
Great dialogue, good characterizations, above-average acting, plenty of sword fighting, lots of cannon firing, stirring music, well-done special effects... and so on. Two thumbs up and 5-stars!!
One thing that made me hoot with delight: in my post above, I mentioned the movie "The Crimson Pirate" with Burt Lancaster. There is one scene that I particularly remember from that movie. In it, Burt Lancaster (a former circus performer) and his sidekick, played by Nick Cravat (Burt's real-life circus partner), up-turn a dingy, crawl underneath it holding it over their heads, and walk out into the sea to escape. They are able to hold their heads above water and breathe the large bubble of air that is caught up in the upper area of the over-turned dingy.
Well, those of you who have seen "Pirates" will immediately recognize this same "trick." It was a well-deserved compliment to a charming, 50-year old classic movie.
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Posted - July 24 2003 : 04:21:36 AM
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I liked it, it was an enjoyable movie. One of the better one's i've seen lately. One thing that bothered me. When jack walked the plank and fell into the water, i looked over to my friend sitting next to me, also a re-enactor and i said "if that pistol ever fires again, i will be sorely dissapointed" Needless to say, it fired later on.
Anyway, i enjoyed it, and as i said before, alot better then any other movies recently released. |
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Theresa
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Posted - August 04 2003 : 07:13:41 AM
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We went to see this last night. What fun! Thought Johnny Depp's character a hoot....and did you notice not one foul word?! The Pirates of the Caribbean has always been one of my favorite attractions at WDW and the scene where the pirates are trying to coax the dog to come close so they could retrieve the key from his mouth was identical to that of the ride. Go see it if you haven't and expect a good time. Coming attraction: The Haunted Mansion with Eddie Murphy coming Thanksgiving. Looks to be a scream!  |
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 Posted - September 15 2003 : 05:36:54 AM
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Very good movie. I would like to see some highlanders in the sequel. |
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Wilderness Woman
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Posted - September 19 2003 : 12:50:05 PM
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Anybody need a little humorous lift today? Check this out:
I saw a Jeannie Mose report on TV this morning and was amused to learn that today is "Talk Like A Pirate Day"! No, I am not kiddin'! She interviewed the two clever and crazy guys who thought it up several years ago. Dave Barry even wrote a column about it that was published yesterday.
Check out this website, being certain to scroll down and locate the "English-to-Pirate-Translator."
http://talklikeapirate.com/piratehome.html
It will shiver yer timbers!
Arrrrrrrr!
Sorry. I just couldn't resist. And now I'm going back there to look around some more... |
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Wilderness Woman
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Posted - September 19 2003 : 12:57:05 PM
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So, I had no more than finished making that last post, when the announcer on the public radio station I am listening to said:
"Well, I am told that today is "Talk Like A Pirate Day", so in honor of that... here is the overture from "The Pirates of Penzance" by Gilbert and Sullivan."
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Scott Bubar
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Posted - September 20 2003 : 8:24:54 PM
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| OK, so am I the only person in the world who detested this movie? |
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Wilderness Woman
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Posted - September 20 2003 : 10:21:51 PM
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Undoubtedly!
What was it about the movie that made you detest it, out of curiosity? |
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Scott Bubar
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Posted - September 21 2003 : 08:26:01 AM
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Originally posted by Wilderness Woman
Undoubtedly!
What was it about the movie that made you detest it, out of curiosity?
Well, where shall I start?
I suppose the fact of the matter is that I'm annoyed with myself for overriding my inner voice and going to see the movie in the first place. After all, I can't claim I didn't know about the glow-in-the-dark skleton pirates.
The thing is, I'd been eagerly awaiting the release of the Weir/Crowe/Bettany production Master & Commander/Far Side of the World, originally slated for about the same time as POTC, for many months. Then they moved the release date to November, leaving me vulnerable. I've actually been waiting for a good fighting sail movie since about 1962(?) and Damn The Defiant! with Alec Guiness and Dirk Bogarde. A long dry spell.
So, while I've obeyed my inner voice when it comes to the LOTR trilogy, I caved when it came to POTC, and "took my son" to see it.
It quickly became apparent that I was going to have to do a massive suspension of disbelief job just to sit through the movie. Well, OK; I'd suspected that and bore down (though I did hear a couple of "Shut up Dad"'s from Jonathan). I got through the movie OK and didn't start to do a slow burn until I got out of the theater.
Depp's shtick was funny--for about 5 or 10 minutes. Geoffrey Rush did a good job with what he had. Aside from this, the acting was insipid. I was inclined to forgive the lead actress a bit when I learned she was only 17 when the movie was shot. But shouldn't she have been in the High School play instead? Did Disney really need to rob the cradle?
Where the movie borrows from it's predecessors, it pales in comparison to the originals. Compare the rum-disposal scene to that in The African Queen.
Or the walking-underwater-under-the-inverted-boat scene, taken from the from The Crimson Pirate, where it was much funnier. It certainly doesn't work as a spoof-of-a-spoof, either.
Then, of course, there's the undead thing. Aside from Depp, who's not undead until briefly near the end, and Rush, these pirates are merely charicatures--there's no depth to them. That's OK in the ride, but this is a movie. Pirates were human after all.
Never mind the story itself.
Another thing that sorely aggrieved me was the treatment of the lovely brig Lady Washington, playing HMS Interceptor.
She is the only real vessel in the movie. The other two are a combination of hulks built on barges and CGI effects.
A major part of my rationale for going to see the movie in spite of my misgivings was to get to see her in action. But in spite of all the money, time and effort invested in her to make her up for the part and sail her around to the Caribbean, she's reduced to a bit part. You hardly get to see anything of her. She's the best thing in the movie, IMO.
Well, I think I'll cut it here. Forgive the rant--but you did ask!
Besides, if I get it off my chest here, I may feel less compelled to do so in the Pyracy Pub. I'm getting to old to dodge flying daggers, rum bottles and boarding axes, not to mention pistol balls!
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Posted - September 21 2003 : 12:46:53 PM
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Ah, Scott. I see your problem. You went to the movie expecting something. You were hoping to fill the void left by the delay of your "real" movies. Bad mistake. Haven't you ever taken the kiddie ride at Disneyland? It's just little-kid fun, and the movie was made the same way. You should have left the adult you at home, and taken your inner kid. You'd have had a blast.
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Scott Bubar
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Posted - September 21 2003 : 12:56:53 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by Chris
Ah, Scott. I see your problem. You went to the movie expecting something. You were hoping to fill the void left by the delay of your "real" movies. Bad mistake. Haven't you ever taken the kiddie ride at Disneyland? It's just little-kid fun, and the movie was made the same way. You should have left the adult you at home, and taken your inner kid. You'd have had a blast.
Chris
The thing is, Chris, my inner-kid was there, but he's seen far better pirate movies. (A great one has yet to be made.)
As far as the ride: I haven't been to Disneyland, but I've been to Disneyworld, and the ride is one of the very few things I like about the place. But then, it's much shorter than the film, you get to ride in a boat, and sterotypical behavior can be forgiven in animated dummies. |
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Posted - September 21 2003 : 12:58:40 PM
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Thanks, Scott..........now you have gone and done it! I was going to go see POTC, but now you tell me it isn't real?? Next you will probably tell me Finding Nemo isn't real, either. HOW will I ever tell my 2 1/2 year old granddaughter ( who, BTW, loved it! SO DID I!!!!!)
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Seamus
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Posted - September 21 2003 : 6:18:45 PM
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To my friend Malcolm, and to our newest Long-hunter,
I've finally caught site of this post and passed it on to my friend Pvt. Chauncey. He mentioned it to his Sister, who has sent word back that she would very much like to see you reenact more "pirate-like": to wit, she would like to see you climb the mast and swing on the ropes while in your kilt, whilst she is strategically stationed on the deck. Ditto for those in breechclothes (tho probably slightly less interesting than you "regimental" boys). 
YHOS,
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Originally posted by Sjt. Malcolm MacWilliam
Those of us who reenact characters that are "pirate-like" (Highlanders and Longhunters), will especially like this movie.
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and shouting ARRRRRR whenever I like!! Slante', Pax Aye, and God Save the King!!! Sjt. MacWilliam
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