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Kirachi	Posted - February 12 2008 : 06:52:15 AM Ok, this may have been touched upon before but having a quick scan back through the topics I couldn't see anything that stood out. So, the question is, why do you think Uncas didn't wait for his father before running after Alice? Do you think he thought he could win the battle ahead easily? Was he worried for Alice's safety? Did he think his brother would need his father's help to escape the village? I personally don't understand his mind set at this point in the movie. He seems like he has a good head on his shoulders and has seen a lot of fightening during his short life. Surely the extra 10/20 minutes that the Huron party got ahead of them was not that huge a distance really. Was he so certain they would kill Alice on the cliffs? to me this thought seems unlikely as they were making for somewhere new, taking her with them for whatever ends. I love the fact it's all very romantic though and in the end is that the reason? Discuss!
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Nut Mustard	Posted - June 08 2008 : 4:33:51 PM his old man nodded to him to go ahead and go after her, so the old man is just as much at fault, he shoulda told uncas to hold back and they both could help hawkeye and both help alice. besides being 'whipped' uncas may have known that the indians, in a short time, were going to be all the way up the mountain and attacking them on that narrow trail, where he has the advantange, wouldnt be the case. thats all i can assume, he knew his time was running out to get them on the narrow trail. similar attack plan in the movie 300 where they attacked the persains in the theopoly pass
Light of the Moon	Posted - May 18 2008 : 5:49:08 PM See...this is all easily explained. Uncas comes to grip that Light Of The Moon would be forever out of his reach and thus settles for Alice, knowing that death would come before he could claim her from Magua. Guess he figured death would be better than to live without me! No I don't have too big opinion of myself. Everyone else's is just too small!
Michelle	Posted - May 18 2008 : 11:18:44 AM quote: Originally posted by Kirachi Ok, this may have been touched upon before but having a quick scan back through the topics I couldn't see anything that stood out. So, the question is, why do you think Uncas didn't wait for his father before running after Alice? Do you think he thought he could win the battle ahead easily? Was he worried for Alice's safety? Did he think his brother would need his father's help to escape the village? I personally don't understand his mind set at this point in the movie. He seems like he has a good head on his shoulders and has seen a lot of fightening during his short life. Surely the extra 10/20 minutes that the Huron party got ahead of them was not that huge a distance really. Was he so certain they would kill Alice on the cliffs? to me this thought seems unlikely as they were making for somewhere new, taking her with them for whatever ends. I love the fact it's all very romantic though and in the end is that the reason? Discuss! Hi Kirachi afew great points there....i totally agree-he never took much thought-about consquences in going after Alice-by himself...But if you noticed-he did put his hand on his fathers shoulder with faith i guess...ad went after her...running up the hill like a mad Puppy inlove-Bless....but he definately had feelings Kirachi-its so obvious-even when they are climbing at the side cliff...he looks at her from a distance...she notices-and its an over wheleming momement-he even takes a second look-at her if you notice in the film... I do question...though,they had notplanned to kill Alice straigt away....as Uncas caught upwith them also....blocking them getting through...as he jumped out on them all....where was his riffle...agree definately he should've shot Magua-not having a knife fight...this was wrong-uncas had no-chance...pluss he was so angry-and hurt-he had confused feelings at this point also...with Alice on his mind-yes he felt he had a duty for sure...but also to protect someone he realy had feelings for/thought of. But the imfamous question-why did he not wait-well...feelings and admiration got in the way i feel.... Perhaps he sees Alice as a younger, frailer version of Alexandra, for whom he clearly had tender feelings for/as winglo mentioned below.
Michelle	Posted - May 18 2008 : 10:48:56 AM quote: Originally posted by Hawkeye_Joe Winglo said quote: (I don't think, however, that was Mr. Cooper's point when he wrote the book.) No, Cooper had Uncas and Cora in love.... Hi Hawkeye....I was just going through your email here and i am confused to the film,why did they change the love interest- with Uncas and Cora would've suited very well indeed if they had not of changed the story from the book-what was mann thinking of...uncas came aross a strong man-so was Cora as the film moved along...i noticed in the medical room-i could see some-close interest-between them both,did anyone not see- was a tender moment-loved that scene-was a nice little-short scene between them-but then interupted...never-mind.I just can not beleive its now 16yrs now since the film was made-time has realy gone...and charactors are now so old...i know Madaline Stowe looks great for her age....and so dose Danial Day Lewis...maybe they can bring back....one day and still have Uncas in,who knows my mind is wondering Always good to have idears come forth and think maybe this or maybe that...would be a great film to re-do...would be so popular...but would never be the same...as the Classic-i have to say. My thought is maybe with the scenes they deleted-they could reincarnate certain charactors and bring more love interest in and looking at each charactor more with depth in there history/life-aswell as the love/death that was so strongly portrayed in the CLASSIC
Michelle	Posted - April 26 2008 : 11:02:49 PM quote: Originally posted by RedFraggle Mu ha ha ha ha! Once again I've succeeded in killing a thread after a long lecture on Cooper. I have a knack for that. Sorry. Let's see . . . Alice and Uncas. I'm a skeptic when it comes to "love" between the two in Mann's film, so I'll say Uncas felt a responsibility to protect Alice because Hawkeye and the Mohicans had failed to protect the Cameron family. Perhaps he sees Alice as a younger, frailer version of Alexandra, for whom he clearly had tender feelings. Now, send out the firing squad. I'm ready! I Aagree with you regards Alexandra,-he did care for her-and she died-so sudden,and they *Alice/Alexandra,did look alike also...i feel.Uncas feelings-we saw when he saw Alexandra's,body at the cabin-with the famly killed,cabin-destroyed.Its a real shame as not only did he die himself for protecting someone he cared about-but also-both women died ...who he had feelings for...What was MM thinking...should've been a happy ending not a sad/confusing one...but i loved the film eithwe way...but hey...they are in heaven now R.I.P....Beloved ones....
Light of the Moon	Posted - March 30 2008 : 9:31:53 PM Congrats, Red! You killed another one!
winglo	Posted - February 19 2008 : 3:58:33 PM quote: Originally posted by RedFraggle I'm a skeptic when it comes to "love" between the two in Mann's film, so I'll say Uncas felt a responsibility to protect Alice because Hawkeye and the Mohicans had failed to protect the Cameron family. Perhaps he sees Alice as a younger, frailer version of Alexandra, for whom he clearly had tender feelings. Now, send out the firing squad. I'm ready! I'm not going to shoot, all I have to say is, "What?" At this point in the story, I highly doubt he was even thinking about the Camerons.
RedFraggle	Posted - February 19 2008 : 09:24:41 AM Mu ha ha ha ha! Once again I've succeeded in killing a thread after a long lecture on Cooper. I have a knack for that. Sorry. Let's see . . . Alice and Uncas. I'm a skeptic when it comes to "love" between the two in Mann's film, so I'll say Uncas felt a responsibility to protect Alice because Hawkeye and the Mohicans had failed to protect the Cameron family. Perhaps he sees Alice as a younger, frailer version of Alexandra, for whom he clearly had tender feelings. Now, send out the firing squad. I'm ready!
Kirachi	Posted - February 18 2008 : 06:15:45 AM Awwww hugs Light
Light of the Moon	Posted - February 17 2008 : 9:42:43 PM quote: Originally posted by Kirachi Fantastic insight Light. I understand his reasonings a little more now. Still what a waste eh Yeah.sniff Brings me purt near to cryin' every time!
winglo	Posted - February 17 2008 : 4:58:46 PM quote: Originally posted by RedFraggle Later, Cora is wrapped in Indian robes for burial, and she and Uncas are buried together, while Delaware maidens mourn over them. Cora and Uncas' deaths have occurred so close to one another "as to render the will of the Great Spirit too manifest to be disregarded." Pretty heavy suggestion, no? More than a suggestion, I would say. Red, how does Cora die? Does she commit suicide or is she killed? (By the way, HOW did you get through that book?) And, to get back to the original topic. . .we can probably rest assured that Uncas went after Alice because he was interested in (loved?) her. Mann doesn't make it too clear in the movie, but apparently a romantic relationship was part of Cooper's original story.
Fitzhugh Williams	Posted - February 16 2008 : 6:56:13 PM Which make me wonder, how did they get from the land of the Huron to that of the Delaware? That's one long trip!
RedFraggle	Posted - February 16 2008 : 4:51:45 PM Oh, no. Someone mentioned Cooper's novel (one of my favorites, incidentally). Brace yourselves for a really long post. . . . quote: Originally posted by Wilderness Woman quote: Originally posted by Hawkeye_Joe Cooper was a man of his times and I don't think he would have written that a white woman would have been truely "in love" with a red man. I agree with your statement, Joe, with a qualification. I have not read the book (I have also tried several times and couldn't make it!), but if I recall from other discussions, Cora was not white. She was a woman of mixed race, due to her father's alliance with a woman of color in the West Indies. In short, she was a "mulato." I think perhaps Cooper created her character that way so that he could sort of "push the envelope" and imply that there was love interest between the Cora and Uncas. Yes, Cora is of mixed race in Cooper's book. As for her and Uncas, Cooper could not overtly describe them as being in love with each other, due to the prevailing racial prejudices at the time he was writing. (This, incidentally, is also why he makes Cora a mulatto: depicting a white woman in love with an Indian would have been utterly scandalous for the time; depicting Cora as a mulatto served to make the romance element more palatable to Cooper's audience, though still not entirely acceptable.) Cooper does "push the envelope" quite a bit with the Cora/Uncas storyline. He never states explicitly that they are in love, but settles for a few, heavy suggestions. If anyone cares, here are two rather suggestive episodes: (1.) When they are hiding in the cave behind the falls, Cora suggests that the men jump the falls, leaving the women behind. Chingachgook pronounces her advice good, and he and Hawkeye go over the falls. Uncas, despite his father's pronouncement, stays behind, telling Cora, "Uncas will stay." She pleads with him to go, "lowering her eyes under the gaze of the Mohican, and, perhaps, with an intuitive consciousness of her power." She finally persuades him to join his father and Hawkeye by asking him to be her "most confidential" messenger by delivering news of her capture to her father. His "settled, calm look" changes to "an expression of gloom" but he follows Cora's wishes. He jumps the falls and, "{a}fter the last look at Uncas," the ordinarily stalwart Cora turns, "and with quivering lip," addresses Duncan. (2.) At the end of the novel, Uncas leads the charge to get Cora (not Alice, as in the movie!) back from Magua, who is leading her to a Huron village to make her his wife. Uncas is rash and impetuous in attempting the rescue: "the moment his eyes caught the figure of Le Subtil, every other consideration was forgotten" and he rushes out ahead of Hawkeye, who has the opportunity to fire on the Hurons but forebears "in tenderness to Uncas." Uncas rushes on "as if life to him possessed but a single object." In the fight that ensues over Cora, one of Magua's henchmen stabs her in the heart and Uncas, though severely wounded, "struck the murderer . . . by an effort in which the last of his failing strength was expended." His dying act is to avenge her murder! Later, Cora is wrapped in Indian robes for burial, and she and Uncas are buried together, while Delaware maidens mourn over them. Cora and Uncas' deaths have occurred so close to one another "as to render the will of the Great Spirit too manifest to be disregarded." The Delaware maidens counsel the spirit of U
Wilderness Woman	Posted - February 16 2008 : 10:15:08 AM quote: Originally posted by Hawkeye_Joe Cooper was a man of his times and I don't think he would have written that a white woman would have been truely "in love" with a red man. I agree with your statement, Joe, with a qualification. I have not read the book (I have also tried several times and couldn't make it!), but if I recall from other discussions, Cora was not white. She was a woman of mixed race, due to her father's alliance with a woman of color in the West Indies. In short, she was a "mulato." I think perhaps Cooper created her character that way so that he could sort of "push the envelope" and imply that there was love interest between the Cora and Uncas.
Kyfrontiersman	Posted - February 16 2008 : 09:57:30 AM Good points Joe, reckon I'm kind'a thick headed sometimes
Hawkeye_Joe	Posted - February 16 2008 : 08:21:23 AM But Mike, she weren't injun but he did not know another way of wooing her. It's his actions not her's that are being questioned. winglo, I don't know if she loved him, Cooper's long wordy rambling make it hard to figger out, I'd say that she "admired" him. Cooper was a man of his times and I don't think he would have written that a white woman would have been truely "in love" with a red man. I think the reason they both died in the book was a Freudian payback for them even having thoughts of being in love. Uncas died for having loved Cora, Cora died to keep from being a wife to Magua, a fate worse than death. They always saved that last bullet for the wemmenfolk, remember??
Kyfrontiersman	Posted - February 15 2008 : 9:32:24 PM But Light, M'dear, she weren't no injun, she were Image Insert: 6.16 KB
Kirachi	Posted - February 15 2008 : 7:11:09 PM quote: Originally posted by Light of the Moon To understand Uncas' behaviour in those final moments you need to look at NA culture for the time frame. NA held women as live givers and therefore women were highly esteemed and respected. In most NA cultures the man would have to pursue the lady but the lady would choose weather or not to marry him. If a man could not win a lady, that could bring life into the world for him he was considered worthless. So to prove themselves they would show their strength and honor through different things. Such as hunting, tribal status, competition, and war. Uncas had to take Magua one on one to bring honor to not only himself but Ching, Hawkeye, and Alice. If a warrior needed help to defeat one man he would have been assumed weak and dishonorable. No women would want a worthless man like that. A proven warrior, who would also be considered a man, did not need help fighting a fight he chose to fight. He fought it and mostly knew it was to the death for one or the other. Fantastic insight Light. I understand his reasonings a little more now. Still what a waste eh
Light of the Moon	Posted - February 15 2008 : 6:48:41 PM To understand Uncas' behaviour in those final moments you need to look at NA culture for the time frame. NA held women as live givers and therefore women were highly esteemed and respected. In most NA cultures the man would have to pursue the lady but the lady would choose weather or not to marry him. If a man could not win a lady, that could bring life into the world for him he was considered worthless. So to prove themselves they would show their strength and honor through different things. Such as hunting, tribal status, competition, and war. Uncas had to take Magua one on one to bring honor to not only himself but Ching, Hawkeye, and Alice. If a warrior needed help to defeat one man he would have been assumed weak and dishonorable. No women would want a worthless man like that. A proven warrior, who would also be considered a man, did not need help fighting a fight he chose to fight. He fought it and mostly knew it was to the death for one or the other.
winglo	Posted - February 15 2008 : 5:36:01 PM quote: Originally posted by Hawkeye_Joe No, Cooper had Uncas and Cora in love.... Yeah, I did know that. Perhaps you can give us more insight regarding whether there was any sign in the book that Cora loved Uncas, or was it just one-sided--he was interested in her, but not vice versa. And how big a part of the story was this "love?" Sorry, I've tried to read the book several times, but just can't get through it.
Hawkeye_Joe	Posted - February 14 2008 : 5:40:14 PM Winglo said quote: (I don't think, however, that was Mr. Cooper's point when he wrote the book.) No, Cooper had Uncas and Cora in love....
Kyfrontiersman	Posted - February 14 2008 : 10:27:31 AM Any self respectin' Frontiersman would'a protected her as well. Well spoken Kirachi. But he should'a taken cover 'n shot him from a distance.
Kirachi	Posted - February 14 2008 : 09:50:29 AM quote: Originally posted by winglo quote: Originally posted by Kirachi I personally would have shoved Alice off the edge and saved Uncas He was certainly more worth saving than she was. I found Alice's character so incapable that it's difficult to watch sometimes. I just want to shout, "Would you DO something?" But, she is young. Maybe I should give her a break. It's just not the kind of woman I would expect Uncas to be interested in. But, there's no accounting for love, I guess. Hmm you're right but perhaps he likes the fact he feels he has to protect her.
winglo	Posted - February 13 2008 : 3:48:06 PM quote: Originally posted by Kirachi I personally would have shoved Alice off the edge and saved Uncas He was certainly more worth saving than she was. I found Alice's character so incapable that it's difficult to watch sometimes. I just want to shout, "Would you DO something?" But, she is young. Maybe I should give her a break. It's just not the kind of woman I would expect Uncas to be interested in. But, there's no accounting for love, I guess.
Kirachi	Posted - February 13 2008 : 06:07:34 AM Intresting stuff Winglo and Mike. Good points too, I still think it was mainly a plot device to have most of us blubbing helplessly everytime we watch it but of course the whole love angle is most appealing I think I'm going to go with that one haha I personally would have shoved Alice off the edge and saved Uncas from making a big mistake after all he was really in love with ME, he just didn't know it

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