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| Lurking Huron0585 |
Posted - October 13 2005 : 7:02:39 PM
Because in the part that the hurons were going to burn out Cora, Nathaniel said "I´m la longe carabinee, my death it´s a great honor to you"
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| Dark Woods |
Posted - October 30 2007 : 01:24:00 AM
From the previous posts, it is clear to me that there is a great deal to discuss regarding this subject.
I don't think anyone doubts that la longe carabinee could deliver a ball to the target with great effect! |
| blackfootblood |
Posted - October 29 2007 : 1:38:41 PM
The Last of the Dustbunnies has returned!!!  |
| Light of the Moon |
Posted - October 29 2007 : 10:30:45 AM
AAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!! Dustbunnies where have you been? We've missed you!
So glad you're back! |
| Irishgirl |
Posted - October 29 2007 : 09:17:02 AM
Welcome back Dustbunnie we missed you. |
| Last of the dustbunnies |
Posted - October 28 2007 : 7:41:09 PM
OHHH its been soooo long since i've posted, well, it means long rifle in french... yep. posting feels SOO good!! |
| Steve S |
Posted - October 28 2007 : 10:25:39 AM
To back up the above....British cavalry were issued cartridges to use in pistol or carbine....But with the carbine powder charge!...meant you had to remember to tip some out before using for the pistol....
Steve |
| Hawkeye_Joe |
Posted - October 26 2007 : 11:20:50 PM
Most military handguns of the 18th Cent were of appox. .69 cal smoothbore construction. They were mainly used by cavalry and were intended to be used on the horse as much as for the rider. Loaded with either round ball or shot they would be carried in pairs, with shot they would be like a lightly charged sawed off 16 ga. shotgun. With regular (especially British) military muskets chambered for .75 to .80 cal ball the .69 was considered a pistol ball. I have read that carbine meant that it shot a pistol sized ball and not that it was necessarily because of a shorter barrel. Many dragoon carbines had barrel lengths of 42 inches which was the standard length of the Brown Bess barrel during the American Revolution. |
| Monadnock Guide |
Posted - October 26 2007 : 9:05:15 PM
If you can easily fire it from your person, - it may well be "considered a small caliber". There are different version of small caliber however. I was kidding about a .69 shoulder mounted weapon being small, - it isn't. Especially compared to say a .22 - it is a large caliber, things being relative. Ten pound, or larger cannon balls are a totally different matter. On a regular basis I shoot anything from a .22 rifle (100 yards+) to a 300 Winchester magnum - there's no confusing the two. |
| James N. |
Posted - October 26 2007 : 8:41:14 PM
"Rifling" for practical purposes has NOTHING to do with the size of the projectile! There was a ( failed ) attempt to make .69 RIFLES at the start of the Civil War, by simply RIFLING the smoothbore barrels of muskets; I'm looking right now at a .69 "minnie ball" in my relic cabinet. For various reasons that was found unsatisfactory, and the caliber standardized at .58. ( I mistakenly said .59 in an earlier post. ) Enfields were .577 - close enough to use the same ammunition. The earlier "Mississippi" rifles of the Mexican War, .54 were still in use, but required their own ammunition.
So rifles USUALLY are smaller caliber weapons - but not necessarily:
The same attempt was made with CANNON, also unsatisfactory; and their projectiles were generally 10 pounds, up to 200 pounds! Rifled cannon had long been a dream of artillerymen; but it wasn't until the 1850's that improvements in metallurgy made it possible. The rifled cannon of the Civil War were made with the rifling done as part of the manufacturing process, and were therefore NEWLY made pieces. Of course, by WWI virtually ALL artillery was rifled. Please note that ALL artillery pieces ( cannon and mortars ) seen in the movie would have been smoothbore muzzleloaders. |
| Monadnock Guide |
Posted - October 26 2007 : 6:58:34 PM
.69 cal?? ... Not really a rifle, more of a shoulder mounted light cannon. ;) |
| MaguasBastardChild |
Posted - October 26 2007 : 6:44:05 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Hawkeye_Joe
quote:
Originally posted by Stryker16
What I always found interesting is, Carbine or Carabine, means A light, "short" rifle.
Actually short has nothing to do with the name carbine, what it refers to is that the weapon shoots a pistol sized round of ammuntion. The 18th cent carbine could have a 42 inch barrel as long as it fired a 69 cal ball (at that time more of a pistol ball).
isnt that a 'sub machine gun'? |
| James N. |
Posted - October 26 2007 : 2:39:04 PM
I realize this is a somewhat outdated topic, BUT...
"Carabine" refers to the CALIBER of the weapon, NOT its length! I collect French arms of a slightly later period ( Napoleonic ), and have 2 short cavalry weapons. Both were standard types used at the time, and NEITHER are carbines! One is only 42" long; the other 44". They are MUSKETOONS ( which means a "little musket" ) because they fire the same .69 caliber ball as the muskets AND the pistols. The French were among the first to standardize the size of their ammunition, so that all military arms could fire the same ammunition, only varying the powder charge. ( And NONE of them were rifled! )
A French "carabine" of the period would have been a rifled civillian hunting arm, not a military one. Muskets of the period tended to be long; European hunting rifles, designed for use by the nobility in hunting "parks" usually were shorter. The rifles of the American frontier, however, were for putting meat on the table, not amusement; so the German gunsmiths in Penn. made them long enough to ensure accuracy.
Our confusion results from the time of our Civil War when short cavalry arms WERE also of smaller calibre ( usually .54 ) than the newfangled .59 "rifled-muskets" or the old-fashioned .69 muskets, which were still in use; though often known to the troops who used them as "punkin' slingers" due to the size of the ball! |
| Light of the Moon |
Posted - July 17 2007 : 12:03:25 PM
How funny! |
| Little Lady of Fire |
Posted - July 11 2007 : 7:28:40 PM
Lol nice. Well first one I actually saw all of was a half rack 6 point. To bad it was 75yds out and I am somewhat nearsided even with my glasses. If I would have lowered my gun and inch I would have got the back bone in half. Oh I can only dream.
My dad got a 6 point I think the day before I saw my first ever and it was literally in the exact same spot. |
| Light of the Moon |
Posted - July 11 2007 : 7:24:44 PM
I am in no hurry for November! I love sunlight and lots of it!
I used to deer hunt too. My first kill was a 10 point buck. It's rack had a nice spread but unfortunately the guy that took me hunting had been trying to kill that deer for six years and never succeeded. He takes me out on my first trip and it ends up mine. |
| Little Lady of Fire |
Posted - July 11 2007 : 7:20:24 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Light of the Moon
quote:
Originally posted by cuthron
Uncas was "le cerf agile" wich is somerhing like "fast deer" and chingachgook was "le cros serpent" wich means "great snake".
Actually his french name was "Le venado ágil", the nimble deer.
RED!!!!
I don't know weather to giggle like an "invalid school girl" , laugh out loud, or blush !
Thanks for that one LOTM. I was just about to join you in the last three when I saw the deer hunter post and wanted November to be here already. I AM actually a deer hunter. |
| Light of the Moon |
Posted - July 11 2007 : 7:17:41 PM
Why, I'm sure I don't know what you mean. |
| blackfootblood |
Posted - July 11 2007 : 3:27:02 PM
I'm with Brownie on this one! Go ahead Light!!  |
| Brownie |
Posted - July 11 2007 : 1:31:13 PM
Go on, Light. Get in trouble - AS ALWAYS! Please continue! |
| Light of the Moon |
Posted - July 11 2007 : 1:20:19 PM
I could run with this...but I'll behave! |
| Fitzhugh Williams |
Posted - July 10 2007 : 12:07:33 PM
But, the term in French was used to mean a short gun made for use by the mounted troupes. Not many were made, only a few thousand, and 1100 were made with rifled barrels. I believe this was around 1736. And I don't know if the rifling was straight or spiraled. This is the only instance of French using a rifled gun, so if a French-speaking people, like the Hurons for instance, wanted to refer to someone carrying a rifle, then they might use this term. Of course, in English, it makes no sense at all.
And then, since none of the 1100 rifled guns were shipped to New France, how would the Hurons have heard of them? |
| Hawkeye_Joe |
Posted - July 09 2007 : 4:31:59 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Stryker16
What I always found interesting is, Carbine or Carabine, means A light, "short" rifle.
Actually short has nothing to do with the name carbine, what it refers to is that the weapon shoots a pistol sized round of ammuntion. The 18th cent carbine could have a 42 inch barrel as long as it fired a 69 cal ball (at that time more of a pistol ball). |
| Light of the Moon |
Posted - February 06 2007 : 10:34:21 AM
Ditto! |
| RedFraggle |
Posted - February 04 2007 : 7:33:29 PM
Ho ho! What a wicked pun, Obi! Long and short?
You're always good for a laugh! |
| Obediah |
Posted - February 04 2007 : 5:37:08 PM
Well, I think we've just about covered the long and the short of this topic... |
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