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SgtMunro	Posted - October 18 2002 : 2:18:15 PM Hello fellow Soldiers of the King. This forum will cover, but not be limited to, the types and quality of British/American Provincial (includes, "Gulp", milita) small arms (both firearms as well as 'Armes Blanche'). The following catagories are offered, to start the discussion: 1) The Long Land Musket Bore Firelock (A/K/A "Brown Bess") 2) The Light Infantry Carbine Bore Firelock 3) Rifles, Blunderbusses and other 'special purpose' firelocks 4) The Carbine Bore Firelock Pistol 5) The Pistol Bore Firelock 'Highland Dag' 6) The English Infantry Sword or 'Hanger' 7) The Scottish Baskethilt Broadsword and Backsword 8) Officer Swords 9) Pole Arms (Halberd, Espontoon, etc.) 10) The Light Infantry Axe and Tommahawk 11) The Bayonet (Socket & Plug) 12) Knives, Daggers, Dirks and other 'Last Ditch' type weapons Sgt. Duncan Munro Capt. Graham's Coy 1/42nd Royal Highlanders "Nemo Me Impune Lacessit"
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SgtMunro	Posted - August 06 2003 : 10:58:46 PM The only thing I know that works is to tack weld a sheetmetal sleave inside and using a dremel tool with a cutting head to route out the notch. It is easier than it sounds, but if you prefer a professional touch, Mr. Cravner would be able to perform said operation, for very few shillings. It all depends on who made your specific barrel on your L/I firelock (Phil has used several barrelsmiths over the years), as to the fit of the Enfield bayonet, Rich Baker's required no modification for a proper fit. Your Humble Servant,
Hawkeye_Joe	Posted - August 06 2003 : 1:44:31 PM Narragansett Arms, it is one of a limited run of 250. Mine's serial #214. I fired it for the first time at King's Mountain National Battlefield Park to help set the standards for using a Ferguson on National Park sites. There have never been enough of them around so that a safety check and procedure could be established. I had another question about the Enfield bayonet....the one's I've looked at are very loose on the barrel.. what would you suggest to make it fit better?
SgtMunro	Posted - August 06 2003 : 10:09:27 AM That is a very fine Ferguson, Hawk. Where did you get her?
Hawkeye_Joe	Posted - August 06 2003 : 01:32:00 AM But Sarge... I like to "Reach out and Touch" someone.... L You should see the bayonet on my Ferguson...when it's attached it is as long as a Bess with a bayonet and the Ferguson barrel is only 34" long.
SgtMunro	Posted - August 05 2003 : 10:45:32 PM No problem, Hawk. Stick with the Enfield bayonet, it is cheaper than the Martini-Henry and it is of the proper length. The Martini-Henry bayonet is too long for a proper L/I Carbine bayonet. Your Most Humble Servant,
Hawkeye_Joe	Posted - August 05 2003 : 1:06:29 PM Yes .. I have been looking at that .. and also some Martini-Henry Socket bayonets on ebay..but they have been jumping in price a good bit. I'll probably follow your lead and do teh Enfield trick. Thanks Sgt.
SgtMunro	Posted - August 05 2003 : 10:54:55 AM Hawk, What you might want to try is taking the locking ring off of a replica Pattern 1853 Enfield Bayonet. The outside diameter of the Enfield barrel is very close to that of the Light Infantry Firelock. My buddy Rich Baker (Capt. Bullit of the 1st Virginia Regiment) also has one of Cravner's L/I Carbines, and the trick worked perfectly for him. The replica Enfield bayonets are availible on-line through any Civil War suttler, and they cost around $40 (a heck of alot cheaper than my custom made bayonet, if I'd only known...). Give it a shot, if it doesn't work, just re-install the locking ring (it is secured by a slot head machine screw) and sell it to any ACW reenactor (There are tens of thousands of them, and you are guarenteed to find at least one guy in want of an Enfield bayonet) I hope this helps... Your Most Humble Servant,
Hawkeye_Joe	Posted - August 05 2003 : 04:48:10 AM Yes..and please find out where I might acquire a bayonet for said musket.. I have had a terrible time finding one to fit.
SgtMunro	Posted - August 05 2003 : 02:49:11 AM I have a Cravner Light Infantry Pattern Carbine Bore Firelock myself, and I also purchased it through Jeff Graham at Highland Arms in Ligonier. Of course, as the price reveals, the fit and finish is par excellant. I also own one of Phil's Long Land Pattern Musket Bore Firelocks (aka '1st Model Bess), and two of his hand scrimshawed powder horns. I'll be going to visit Phil this week sometime, to pick up a piece that was in for service. May I give him your regards? Your Humble Servant,
Hawkeye_Joe	Posted - August 04 2003 : 04:25:35 AM I've purchased 14 Dragoons from Pete as of now.. and more are gonna be ordered..Quality has been top notch..I bought My Light Infantry 1756 from Highland Arms.. it is a Phil Cravner Officer's model. I think one of my guys got the 7th one of the 1st Models.. cracked stock and no spark from the hammer..He'll be sending it back to DG for a replacement. http://www.highlandarms.com/
SgtMunro	Posted - August 01 2003 : 08:59:41 AM Hawk, I purchased one of the dragoon pistols last year from Loyalist Arms in Halifax (NS), the quality is beyond the humble price. It is a very good deal for the money. As for the Long Land Pattern (aka 1st model) from India, one of my men (Pte. MacIntyre) purchased one from the Discriminating General earlier this year. The fit and finish appear, like the dragoon, to be very good for the price. One problem that he encountered was that his frizzen cracked during the Battle of Monmouth this year (MacIntyre also does RevWar 42nd with the Lights). He is currently awaiting replacement from DG, and was informed (by DG's Quality Control Staff) that one in seven of the weapons encounter some kind of malfunction. That sounds about right for any new product line, I am sure that the manufacture will sort it out. The same Indian firm also makes a Light Infantry Pattern firelock, which some of my men are looking into purchasing in the future (Our company does both Battalion and Light Company Impressions). All in all, the Indian products are a welcome addition to the F&IW Reenactor list of weapon choices. Your Humble Servant,
Hawkeye_Joe	Posted - July 31 2003 : 4:21:32 PM Sgt. Munro, I have seen the new Long Land pattern muskets being sold from the "Discriminating General" They are of mostly good quality though I do find the stocks to be quite heavy. The 2nd NC Regt. of the Continental Line bought 28 of them at a mean price of appox. $420.00 per unit. I have been purchasing Heavy Dragoon Pistols from Middlesexvillage Trading that have been very very good. Pete at Middlesex is planning a Long Land Pattern now. Anyone who wishes to check it out can go...here: http://www.middlesexvillagetrading.com Pic of the Dragoon. Pic of prototype 1st Model Bess:
SgtMunro	Posted - May 18 2003 : 12:41:04 PM Those examples you posted Mac are some very fine Dags indeed. I've always found myself somewhat partial to Pitcairn's work. I do have a question as to bore/caliber. I know that the gunmetal stocked pistols that were issued to the enlisted soldiers 42nd RHR were contracted to be of 'Pistol Bore' or .56 Caliber. What were some of the other non-standard calibers favored for these custom pieces? Your Most Humble Servant,
Highlander	Posted - May 15 2003 : 12:38:45 AM quote: Originally posted by Thomas MacDonald Greetings Sgt Munro Perhaps we can turn the conversation to those fine Scottish steel pistols! Mac Pic's: from Peter Finer's 1995 catalogue An excellent idea my good man.We have a fine officer's model on display at Ft.Pitt.Do you know of any good deals to be had out there?
Thomas MacDonald	Posted - May 13 2003 : 8:01:40 PM Greetings Sgt Munro Perhaps we can turn the conversation to those fine Scottish steel pistols! Mac Pic's: from Peter Finer's 1995 catalogue
SgtMunro	Posted - May 12 2003 : 10:56:23 PM Hello men, since I've returned would you like to pick this discussion up where we left off. I believe we were discussing dirks, or if you would like we could move on to another weapon. Your Most Humble Servant,
CT•Ranger	Posted - November 18 2002 : 7:53:23 PM See you around Sargeant! Perhaps we'll share the same trail someday. CT•Ranger
Pushmataha	Posted - November 18 2002 : 4:42:02 PM Don't desert Sarge they'll flog you.. Stay safe and watch your six.. If you ever get to south florida drop me a line.. We have a huge Scottish festival here in march.. Lots of fun.. I leave you with some Highland wisdom.. " Tog do shull dh'an Iarmailt machair dubh nan stair faigh reull do sliagha lean I gu dan." --Scots Gaelic proverb " Look to the stars a dark field of jewels, find the star of your destiny and have the courage to follow it."
SgtMunro	Posted - November 18 2002 : 03:04:07 AM Hi guys, I know that this should be reserved for another location, but I figure that this is good a place as any. To Captain Graham, Mac, Scott, Pushmataha, CT Ranger and the other warriors with whom I've had the pleasure, nay, honor to converse/interact with, I salute you! You guys are the best!!!! You have helped make my 'Mohicanland Experience' an enjoyable one. The time has come for me to 'move on', so to speak. The reasons for which are my own, and the decision was reached this past week. If any of you guys ever want to chat, or just say 'Hi', I can be reached through my unit webpage, "The Blockhouse Muskets". Just scroll down to the "Recruiting NCO" link. If any of you ever find yourself at one of our events, the 2003 Schedule should be posted around Christmas if I don't have any more problems with the editor program. Stop by the battalion street, I'll buy you a beer and introduce you to the lads. (Not that I would ever have adult beverages at a state park/historic site) Your Humble Servant,
SgtMunro	Posted - November 17 2002 : 10:53:10 PM Thanks Mac, I have to look into getting that book. The National Trust, I used to belong to that orginazation when I was stationed in the U.K. I belonged to both England and Scotland Chapters, as well as English Heritage. One thing about people in the U.K., they do have a deeper apreciation of their history than we do. Enough of me rambling on, please go into the history of the dirk, and how it became the weapon you swore on. Your Humble Servant,
Thomas MacDonald	Posted - November 17 2002 : 10:43:58 PM Hi Sgt Munro The bottom picture is from the awesome book "Culloden; The Swords & The Sorrows" ,put out by the National Trust For Scotland , 1996. Pat Tougher , of Scottish Sword & Shield , at: http://www.scottishsword.com/ , still had some copies of this hard to find book available for sale ( it's not listed on his site, but if you e-mail him he will respond) The book is a must have .... all color, with some of the most incredible scottish weapons pictured, etc ! Do pick up a copy ! I shall return with more dirk talk soon ! I leave you with a cool postcard image that hammerman Vince Evans got for me while in Scotland ! Alba Gu Brath , Mac quote: Originally posted by SgtMunro Yes please, to twist a quote of Shakespear "Lead on, MacDonald". I love the pictures, where did you get the bottom one at? Your Humble Servant,
SgtMunro	Posted - November 17 2002 : 8:30:22 PM Yes please, to twist a quote of Shakespear "Lead on, MacDonald". I love the pictures, where did you get the bottom one at? Your Humble Servant,
Thomas MacDonald	Posted - November 17 2002 : 1:00:51 PM Shall we swear on the 'Holy Iron' and talk dirks ! Mac
Pushmataha	Posted - November 16 2002 : 7:34:31 PM Sarge, my pleasure.. Choctaw is of the musckogean family of languages which are spoken by the Chickasaw, Creek and Seminole..Our Cherokee brothers are in the Iroquoian family .. Yakoke ( Thanks)
SgtMunro	Posted - November 16 2002 : 11:01:08 AM Dear Thomas, Pushmataha & Scott, Thanks for all the work you guys have done. You men are certainly top notch, and you have given me more avenues to pursue during my ever ongoing self education process, for that I am eternally grateful. I knew if anywhere I could find help on these topics, it was here in Mohicanland. I do not speak Choctaw, but it does appear to share Algonquin roots, like Delaware ('Wulitpallat', depending on which variation of the Lenape tongue, means 'Great or Brave Warrior', which I feel is fitting). Any of the Lenape/Delaware toungue I have learned is courtesy of my friend, Tom Vecchio (A Shawnee Reenactor from the Pittsburgh area) who is an adopted brother of the Lenape Tribe here in Pennsylvania (Quite an honor, since the Lenape are not known to adopt many whites). All in all, you guys are great, it is good to know that there are alot of arms collectors/historians out here in Mohicanland. Thanks again. Your Brother-in-Arms,

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