Re: Misc. Junk --- "Historical Films" & a *challenge*

Posted by Champ on June 11, 1999 at 03:52:41:

In Reply to: Miscellaneous Junk posted by Tom on June 10, 1999 at 08:40:57:

Tom wrote:
: Historical researchers and consultants guarantee a movie that stays true to the historical facts? When? Where? I seem to recall I have thrown a challenge out to anyone who can show me a movie that stayed true to the historical facts without fictional characters, storylines or fudging characters or facts. I say there is no such animal because movies are made to entertain and not inform.

>I debated answering this, since I didnt want to throw more gas on the fire, & its obvious to me that I'm being *baited* here, and after this wont allow it to happen anymore, but to answer your questions---

1) I never said that historical consultants will absolutely insure that a film will be 100% historically accurate, I mentioned that is why they are hired to get the details right. But in the end its up to the producer & director to follow their advice (the real question is when you have a very interesting historical figure, why do film companies feel they need to deviate so much from the story?
Such a simple question, I wonder why it went over some heads).

2) As to your *challenge*...
Right off the bat I can think of three films that do not invent characters or incidents, "A Bridge Too Far", the Canadian production "Big Bear", & the Australian production "Ned Kelly" [no,not the 1970 Mick Jagger version either].
All characters & incidents in these can be documented.

Two that come close, with the addition of minor characters to *flesh out* the story is "The Longest Day" & one of the two that started this whole thread, "Zulu" [NOT "Zulu Dawn"]. These two come close to the historical record & are very entertaining.

I know there are others, but quite frankly I'm too tired after playing "Mr. Mom" to my 3 1/2 week old all day, & dealing with a 3 mile pipeline explosion in our city today(!)...

I guess at times "the animal" does exsist...

"Champ"

Oh, as to "famed reenactor Brian Pohanka", yes, he is a rather well known reenactor, BUT if you had once again looked deeper into your history, you'd find that firstly he was/is a historian & consultant. Just thought I'd let you know.

'Nough said...

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• Brian Pohanka Tom 08:10:27 6/11/99 (0)
• Re: Misc. Junk --- "Historical Films" & a *challenge* Tom 06:42:31 6/11/99 (1)
  • Re: Misc. Junk --- "Historical Films" & a *challenge* Champ 14:17:22 6/11/99 (0)

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: Tom wrote:
: : Historical researchers and consultants guarantee a movie that stays true to the historical facts?  When?  Where?  I seem to recall I have thrown a challenge out to anyone who can show me a movie that stayed true to the historical facts without fictional characters, storylines or fudging characters or facts.  I say there is no such animal because movies are made to entertain and not inform. 

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: >I debated answering this, since I didnt want to throw more gas on the fire, & its obvious to me that I'm being *baited* here, and after this wont allow it to happen anymore, but to answer your questions---

: 1) I never said that historical consultants will absolutely insure that a film will be 100% historically accurate, I mentioned that is why they are hired to get the details right. But in the end its up to the producer & director to follow their advice (the real question is when you have a very interesting historical figure, why do film companies feel they need to deviate so much from the story?
: Such a simple question, I wonder why it went over some heads).

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: 2) As to your *challenge*...
: Right off the bat I can think of three films that do not invent characters or incidents, "A Bridge Too Far",  the Canadian production "Big Bear", & the Australian production "Ned Kelly" [no,not the 1970 Mick Jagger version either].
: All characters & incidents in these can be documented.

: Two that come close, with the addition of minor characters to *flesh out* the story is "The Longest Day" & one of the two that started this whole thread, "Zulu" [NOT "Zulu Dawn"]. These two come close to the historical record & are very entertaining.

: I know there are others, but quite frankly I'm too tired after playing "Mr. Mom" to my 3 1/2 week old all day, & dealing with a 3 mile pipeline explosion in our city today(!)...

: I guess at times "the animal" does exsist...

: "Champ"

: Oh, as to "famed reenactor Brian Pohanka", yes, he is a rather well known reenactor, BUT if you had once again looked deeper into your history, you'd find that firstly he was/is a historian & consultant. Just thought I'd let you know.

: 'Nough said...

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