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Fitz Williams
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 Posted - March 27 2003 : 4:16:01 PM
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OK, this is not strictly F&I, but Joseph Martin fought in the F&I, so there's my 6 degrees.
I was looking at some bookmarks from last summer and ran across these pictures of Martin's Station. For anyone not familiar with it, Martin's Station is a recreated station a few miles from the Cumberland Gap representing the early 1770's time period. It was built in the traditional way, using traditional tools and methods as much as possible. If you get a chance, you should see it. The URL for the pictures is:
http://ns.utk.edu/%7Epatw/martins_station/
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Highlander
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Posted - March 29 2003 : 04:27:14 AM
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Is he any relation to Benjamin Martin from "The Patriot"?He too fought in the French & Indian War and paticipated in "The Battle of Fort Wilderness". |
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Fitz Williams
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Posted - March 29 2003 : 2:36:01 PM
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Martin fought in the F&I with his friend Tom Sumter. After the war Sumter went to SC and was later involved in the unpleasantness with England. Benjamin Martin was based on Sumter as well as Marion and others, so you can say that he was related!  |
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richfed
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Posted - May 24 2003 : 8:28:47 PM
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Look for this at an art gallery near you!!!
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Martin's Station
H. David Wright recently snapped this photo and was gracious enough to pass it along. He's been commissioned by the State to paint the scene at Martin's Station ... and this photo will be its base. Talk about idyllic! Beautiful place.
At least that's the plan. Budget ought to be passed in June; painting over this Winter. |
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Fitz Williams
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Posted - May 24 2003 : 10:58:15 PM
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| That's some scenery! It's only a few miles from the Cumberland Gap. That's some of the most beautiful country there is. Except, of course, for Mohicanland. |
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Theresa
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Posted - May 25 2003 : 10:31:18 AM
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Fitz,
Where in the Cumberland Gap? When our daughter was playing college softball, we would travel to Lincoln Memorial University which sits right where Tennessee, Kentucky, and Virginia border...and you're right, this is gorgeous country. |
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Scott Bubar
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Posted - May 25 2003 : 2:13:03 PM
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| Isn't that the place where they all wear brown clothes? |
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Posted - May 25 2003 : 2:17:19 PM
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Originally posted by Scott Bubar
Isn't that the place where they all wear brown clothes?
Scott,
You may be thinking of "Banana Republic"!!  |
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Fitz Williams
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Posted - May 25 2003 : 2:47:42 PM
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The Cumberland Gap is where Tenn, Va, and KY meet. It is near highway 25E and near the town of Cumberland Gap, TN. The road has been re-routed through a tunnel and the Gap restored to it's original condition, or at least that's the plan in progress. Even without Martin's Station, it would be well worth the trip. And yes, after a stay at Martin's, everything becomes some shade of brown!
Quotation from my wife, Cindy, who visited Martin's last fall during the construction phase:
"How can they live like that!"
When I asked her if she would like to accompany me there this September, she said that there was no way she would live in a tent. I said that perhaps she could stay in the Station. She said she would rather live in the tent.
She hasn't quite come to grips with the 18th Century mindset. |
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Theresa
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Posted - May 25 2003 : 9:37:33 PM
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| Well now, Fitz, we must have been right there close by Martin's Station because I know the tunnel you're talking about. We drove up to Pinnacle Point (right there at the welcome station) and saw the plans for restoration of the Gap. It will not be fully completed until I'm too old to go back (can't remember the target date). |
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Fitz Williams
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Posted - May 26 2003 : 12:44:14 AM
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| Martin's Station is a few miles east of the Cumberland Gap on US 58. It joins 25E at the Gap. It is in a State Park with a large white 1800's historic house near the road. The Station is some distance behind the Visitor's Center and not visible from the road, which is as it should be. If you walked in from the Visitors Center the view would be the same as in the picture above. There are some other cabins which would be to the left of the picture. |
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Theresa
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Posted - May 26 2003 : 07:44:46 AM
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| Thanks, Fitz. Our daughter's collegiate career is over so we won't be going back up there for softball but we might have to make a point of going just for the experience of Martin's Station. I regret that I wasn't aware of its existance the four trips I made there. |
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Fitz Williams
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Posted - May 26 2003 : 09:42:54 AM
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I regret that I wasn't aware of its existance the four trips I made there.
Until last summer it wasn't there. It was built by volunteers, mostly during the summer. They lived and worked just like they would have done in the 18th century. Some were there for the whole thing, some a week at a time, and some for the weekends. My video about the construction of the Station has just arrived. I haven't had a chance to watch it yet. I am at Myrtle Beach and it is in Greenville! |
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Theresa
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Posted - May 26 2003 : 10:57:39 AM
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Originally posted by Fitz Williams
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I regret that I wasn't aware of its existance the four trips I made there.
Until last summer it wasn't there. It was built by volunteers, mostly during the summer. They lived and worked just like they would have done in the 18th century. Some were there for the whole thing, some a week at a time, and some for the weekends. My video about the construction of the Station has just arrived. I haven't had a chance to watch it yet. I am at Myrtle Beach and it is in Greenville!
Well DUH!!  Now wonder, Fitz. It sounds like a very interesting project. Myrtle Beach...hmmmm...sounds lovely 'bout this time of year. |
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Scott Bubar
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Posted - May 26 2003 : 11:59:55 AM
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| I guess it would be unwise to mention walnuts. |
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Fitz Williams
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Posted - May 26 2003 : 1:23:14 PM
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I guess it would be unwise to mention walnuts.
It would on the HT board!
But since this is the Mohican Board, I can say that the walnut is good to eat, makes a nice gun stock, and I have even heard that they can be used as a dye! |
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Posted - May 27 2003 : 10:05:54 AM
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Originally posted by Fitz Williams
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I guess it would be unwise to mention walnuts.
It would on the HT board!
But since this is the Mohican Board, I can say that the walnut is good to eat, makes a nice gun stock, and I have even heard that they can be used as a dye!
LOL... shhhh... don't mention walnuts or Mark Baker on the HT board. I suppose it would be ok around here though...hehehe...
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Fitz Williams
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Posted - May 27 2003 : 12:49:54 PM
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don't mention walnuts or Mark Baker on the HT board.
I wouldn't dare mention anyone named "Mark" or even "Marc"! Sound too much alike :-) |
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Posted - May 27 2003 : 1:03:13 PM
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I guess it would be unwise to mention walnuts.
Ok. So. Am I the only one who is totally perplexed by this exchange?
What on earth are you guys talking about??? Walnuts... HT board... What the....??
(I'be been waiting for an opportunity to use the "Weird Thread" emoticon. Thanks!) |
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Posted - May 27 2003 : 7:05:06 PM
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Color me confused, too, WW!
One thing's for sure, don't know about the HT board, or the walnut thing ... but it's always OK to mention Mark Baker in these parts. A solid guy.
Now ... someone ... fill the rest of us in! Please? |
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Scott Bubar
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Posted - May 27 2003 : 8:29:51 PM
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I'm afraid I'm guilty of telling tales out of school here. I should know better.
My teasing shouldn't be taken as a reflection on the Historical Trekking message board, which is an excellent and rather unique resource for folks interested in living history in early America, with a particular focus on the 18th century frontier.
There has been some conflict at times (think of Swift's Big Endians and Little Endians) between those that feel the frontier folk dressed mostly in brown (we're thinking particularly of the long hunter sort here) and those who feel some color (other than brown) is in order. The conflict can be quite intense at times, and those frontier streams run brown with walnut dye.
I'm not a principal to the conflict, BTW, merely an innocent (at least until now) bystander. |
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Fitz Williams
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Posted - May 28 2003 : 01:02:50 AM
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| It is amazing how much controversy and ill will can be generated over something as simple as the color of a piece of cloth. It goes way beyond debate! Rich, you haven't seen personal attacks on this board like those on HT. Consider yourself fortunate. Mark Baker is viewed as a proponent of the walnut dyed fabric which brings him, and his research, into the fray. Personally, I have a walnut dyed shirt, and an indigo dyed shirt, so I can dress to suit either camp. Or be disliked by both. |
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Posted - May 28 2003 : 06:33:35 AM
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Well now, that clears things up considerably!!! Thanks, fellas!
It occurs to me that maybe there are some reading this who don't know who Mark Baker is. On this site, you can read about Mark here:
On the Trail ... With Mark A. Baker, among other places!
Fitz, you should have been here several years ago, especially during the time we were hooked up with Eric Schweig selling his masks for him - it doesn't get much uglier than it did then. The Board now - even with the occasional flare-ups [par for the course] - is smooth sailing compared to then, thankfully!! |
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 Posted - May 28 2003 : 08:09:19 AM
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Clear it up any??
Yes it does! Thanks.
...er... cup of Walnut Tea, anyone?
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Posted - May 28 2003 : 08:40:53 AM
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Regarding the Historical Trekking (HT) board and Mark Baker... I share the sentiments with both Scott and Fritz. That board is an incredible source of information, if not debate, on the 18th Century as a whole. I spend a lot of time there reading, but seldom do I post. Mainly because most people there are more knowledgeable than I and I'm currently happy to fill the roll of student and aske the occassional ignorant question.
As both Scott and Fritz eluded, some the more opinionated participants of the HT board believe that clothing of color was much more prominant on the "frontier" than was dark earth-tone (walnut dyed) colored clothing. Some of them attribute the sudden flood of walnut coloring to Mark Baker. Research shows that "walnut" colored clothing did, in fact, exist. I guess the debate revolves around how prominant it was. I wasn't there, so I don't know. Neither was/does anyone else for that matter. But... the color was around. This particular debate seems to rear its head every few months.
As far as Mark Baker goes... there was an HT thread recently where a person had asked if anyone had any pictures of Mark and was wondering what he was wearing today. Immediately, some of the members I mentioned above started complaining about the "Mark Baker clones". They preached that everyone should do their own research and not rely on someone else's interpretation of a particular longhunter persona. They state that they don't have a problem with Mark, but their responses to these types of questions are filled with so much emotion that you generally can't help but get the impression that they have a problem with Mark. I think a lot of them forget that Mark Baker certainly doesn't advocate that anyone should copy him.
I've read many of his articles and I own a copy of his book, "Sons of a Trackless Forest". If anyone has done more research into the life of an 18th Century Longhunter, I don't know who it would be. All of his works, in my opinion, are honest, informative, and well detailed. I'm realively new to this "living history" hobby/lifestyle. While I don't base my interpretation on Mark Baker, I have, on more than one occassion, researched various aspects of clothing, accouterments, weapons, tools, etc. using his data as a starting point. I'll then seek out other sources to help me form a better understanding of whatever I'm researching. Mark has been an invaluable resource and proponent of this hobby and the people who participate certainly owe him a debt of gratitude.
If anyone is interested in visiting the HT message board, it can be found here: http://www.historicaltrekking.com/ Just look down the page for a link to the site's message board. It's not as orgaized as this board and replies to threads can be confusing to follow, but it's a fun place if your interested in the F&I War time period.
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Posted - July 31 2003 : 3:46:09 PM
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Hawkeye covered the controversy very well. There are as many impassioned people doing this as there are misinformed ones. Sometimes they mix it up. I've been doing this hobby/lifestyle now for nearly 20 years. I have my walnut dyed clothes and my indigo, also checks and prints. It's when people get to making personal attacks on others that this game/life/hobby gets un-fun to do. The thing about the American People is that when we do something we wanna do it "RIGHT NOW" and not look like we are "new" at it. These people took the persona that Mark presented and ran with it. Suddenly there was a big influx of walnut dyed hunters walking around with Wilde sashes and quilled knife sheaths. It was very noticable, and so the blame sometimes revolved back to Mark. (Who never told anyone "This is the way you have to do it.").
The HT Board is a great place to sit ands read and learn and sometimes post. I've bought many a good item on their Virtual Round Robin sales board. (just bought a new longrifle BTW).
Oh and back to the subject of this thread. I am one of the Sgt.'s on the Capt's Staff at Martin's Station. It is a great place and I hope you all will find the time to visit there. Link below to the Park website.
http://www.martinsstation.com/
Kinda rambling post here.. but ..it's my first day back to this board in many years so .. please bear with me. |
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