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Posted - October 29 2009 :  07:31:48 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
2010 Census to Begin

THIS IS PRETTY BASIC ADVICE; BUT, IN TODAY'S TIMES, I CAN SEE IT COULD LEAVE AN OPEN DOOR FOR PASSING OUT YOUR PRIVATE INFORMATION.

WARNING: 2010 Census Cautions from the Better Business Bureau

Be Cautious About Giving Info to Census Workers by Susan Johnson

With the U.S. Census process beginning, the Better Business Bureau (BBB) advises people to be cooperative, but cautious, so as not to become a victim of fraud or identity theft.. The first phase of the 2010 U.S. Census is under way as workers have begun verifying the addresses of households across the country. Eventually, more than 140,000 U.S. Census workers will count every person in the United States and will gather information about every person living at each address including name, age, gender, race, and other relevant data.

The big question is - how do you tell the difference between a U.S. Census
worker and a con artist? BBB offers the following advice:

If a U.S. . Census worker knocks on your door, they will have a badge, a handheld device, a Census Bureau canvas bag, and a confidentiality notice. Ask to see their identification and their badge before answering their questions. However, you should never invite anyone you don't know into your home.

Census workers are currently only knocking on doors to verify address information. Do not give your Social Security number, credit card or banking information to anyone, even if they claim they need it for the U.S. Census.

REMEMBER, NO MATTER WHAT THEY ASK, YOU REALLY ONLY NEED TO TELL THEM HOW MANY PEOPLE LIVE AT YOUR ADDRESS.

While the Census Bureau might ask for basic financial information, such as a salary range, YOU DON'T HAVE TO ANSWER ANYTHING AT ALL ABOUT YOUR FINANCIAL SITUATION. The Census Bureau will not ask for Social Security, bank account, or credit card numbers, nor will employees solicit donations. Any one asking for that information is NOT with the Census Bureau.

AND REMEMBER, THE CENSUS BUREAU HAS DECIDED NOT TO WORK WITH ACORN ON GATHERING THIS INFORMATION.. No Acorn worker should approach you saying he/she is with the Census Bureau.

Eventually, Census workers may contact you by telephone, mail, or in person at home. However, the Census Bureau will not contact you by Email, so be on the lookout for Email scams impersonating the Census.

Never click on a link or open any attachments in an Email that are
supposedly from the U.S. Census Bureau.

For more advice on avoiding identity theft and fraud, visit www.bbb.org

PLEASE SHARE THIS INFO WITH FAMILY AND FRIENDS.

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Posted - October 29 2009 :  09:09:01 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote  Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by Monadnock Guide

...REMEMBER, NO MATTER WHAT THEY ASK, YOU REALLY ONLY NEED TO TELL THEM HOW MANY PEOPLE LIVE AT YOUR ADDRESS.

Hmmmmm...... I don't know who Susan Johnson is, or where she got her information. But, I believe she is wrong on this statement.

I was a Census Taker in 1980, when I lived up in the North Country of New York. I covered a good bit of St. Lawrence County. We were told to tell people that they were required by U.S. law to answer all of the questions on the form.

I just checked on the 2010 Census website, and I found this in their FAQ section.

Do I have to fill the form in?
Yes. Respondents are required by law to answer all questions to the best of their ability.

Title 13

Sec. 221. Refusal or neglect to answer questions; false answers

(a) Whoever, being over eighteen years of age refuses or willfully neglects, when requested by the Secretary, or by any other authorized officer or employee of the Department of Commerce or bureau or agency thereof acting under the instructions of the Secretary or authorized officer, to answer, to the best of his knowledge, any of the questions on any schedule submitted to him in connection with any census or survey provided for by subchapters I, II, IV, and V of chapter 5 of this title, applying to himself or to the family to which he belongs or is related, or to the farm or farms of which he or his family is the occupant, shall be fined not more than $100.

(b) Whoever, when answering questions described in subsection (a) of this section, and under the conditions or circumstances described in such subsection, willfully gives any answer that is false, shall be fined not more than $500. (c) Notwithstanding any other provision of this title, no person shall be compelled to disclose information relative to his religious beliefs or to membership in a religious body.


Title 13 is the law under which the Census Bureau operates. The law guarantees the confidentiality of census information, and establishes penalties for disclosing this information. This is a Federal Law.

This seems pretty clear to me. The question is, of course, would the Census Taker turn you in if you refuse to answer or give false information? Unlikely. Would the Census Bureau notice? ~ shrug ~ Possible.

I remember one home that I stopped at. The people had not returned their forms, so I had to do a visit. The couple were not happy when I nicely told them they were required by law to answer the questions. But, they did answer them. Unfortunately, they were so outrageous that I knew they were false. They closed with, "There. Let's see what that does to their statistics." I just said "Thank you" and left.

I told my supervisor about it, and she just shrugged and said, "What are you going to do?" They were not turned in.

Having been on the other side of the Census Fence, I have very mixed feelings about this. On the one hand, I feel that I want to cooperate with my government. But on the other hand, I dislike giving out so much of my personal information, some of which makes absolutely no sense. Why should it matter how many bathrooms I have in my house? That doesn't affect the number of representatives I have in Congress, which was the original purpose of the Census.

What to do??? I guess I will decide when I take a look at my census form.

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Posted - October 29 2009 :  09:34:50 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote  Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
Good point WW, - I had second thoughts on that line too, thx. ... Sooo, you were one of "them" - huh??? ;)

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Yes, I was one of them. We were on the farm, and had very little income. My husband (#1) was doing substitute teaching part time, and I was looking for anything I could do to help. So, I became a census taker.

Setting aside the few people I came across who were downright nasty about it, that was one of the most enjoyable summers I can remember.

Picture a 32-year old, tall, slim woman with premature salt-n-pepper hair driving along gorgeous country roads in a powder blue 1950 Chevy pickup. That was me. The truck and I looked quite distinctive, and people grew to recognize us as we combed the countryside. People were always waving at me as I drove by their farms and homes.

The Amish folks were especially friendly and the kids always waved to me... until I had to stop and get them to answer the form questions. They were always polite, but always very cautious and somewhat suspicious of the forms. I was never invited into their homes. They would grudgingly give their answers, after I mentioned that the Federal law required them to. Even though most of them had gone through it all before, they were still very cautious.

One guy (not Amish), who was trying to homestead (back to the land) like we were, was especially nasty to me. He refused and got very argumentive. Finally, I had enough and I just said to him, "You know... I am just doing this as a job to help support our farm. You could be nicer." He stopped dead, looked at me and said, "You're right. I'm sorry. It's not your fault." He then answered all of the questions.

Yes... it was an interesting summer, for sure.

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Posted - October 29 2009 :  2:35:40 PM  Show Profile  Send Gadget Girl an AOL message  Reply with Quote  Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
Interesting stories Joyce!
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I have always been suspicious of most internet 'advice', especially when it deals with issues which could include legal penalties for non-compliance. However, there is one piece of advice from the author which makes sense; that is for you to exercise your right to demand to see their identification card and/or official credentials. These folks do not wear a uniform, and therefore could easily be impersonated by even the most marginal of criminals.



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It would be nice to know what an official ID card looked like too - I imagine some could concoct a pretty offical looking fake one.
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Most government-issued I.D. cards today are of a computer-generated, one-piece (no separate laminating surface) polymer and include the name/seal of the issuing agency, a picture and thumbprint (sometimes) of the cardholder, RFD tag, signature of both the member and issuing authority, holographic anti-counterfeit image (usually of the agency seal, and the following statement ("If found, please deposit in the nearest mailbox to be returned to..." insert the agency address, "...return postage guarenteed.")

Nowadays, government-issued identification cards are almost impossible to counterfeit, and their issue-control is almost anal (in my own department, you get into more trouble for loosing your I.D. card, than you would if you lost your badge). However, if you have any doubt, the agency represenative will have no problem waiting while you call his local field office to verify his employment. Also, all government agencies have policies which state that you will exhibit your I.D. card to any citizen, upon denmand, during the course of your offical duties. (I wear a uniform, but I still must present my I.D. card to any citizen, also upon demand, whom I might interact with in a work-related manner)



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Personally, I plan on lying! Exactly what the folks told WW - see what that does to their stats.! I've been unhappy about the census questions in previous years, but this time, I'm even more concerned. Why do they need to know anything other than how many people live in the house?

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Posted - November 03 2009 :  06:43:17 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote  Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
Big Brother, - is already way overweight, and is getting bigger all the time.

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Personally, I plan on lying! Exactly what the folks told WW - see what that does to their stats.! I've been unhappy about the census questions in previous years, but this time, I'm even more concerned. Why do they need to know anything other than how many people live in the house?



If you have ever done any genealogical research those census records from the 1800's are invaluable! If you go back to the 1840 census, only the name of the head of the household and the number of people living in it was required. In 1850, the names and ages of all were required along with some other information. Using this info, it is possible to see when your ancestors were born and when they moved, and when something significant happened to them. If these records had been available earlier, then I might be able to trace the ancestory on my father's side past the 1830's.


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Good point - I also made use of census records to investigate my moms family.
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Fitzhugh Williams said: Using this info, it is possible to see when your ancestors were born and when they moved, and when something significant happened to them. If these records had been available earlier, then I might be able to trace the ancestory on my father's side past the 1830's.


Okay Fitz, I can understand the need for recording names and ages, but no one (genealogical research buffs, or otherwise) needs to know how many bathrooms I have, or what my social security number is (if they are that interested then they can contact the IRS or Social Security Administration). As for the reported question of "How many people in your residence are undocumented immigrants?"; that question should only be asked when the answer will be reported to Immigration & Customs Enforcement.

The other question I find funny is, "How many people in your residence are currently collecting public assistance?" Once again, they should go to the appropriate state agency for those answers; unless of course someone is collecting SSI 'Crazy Checks', then the Social Security Administration would be the ones to consult.

...As for my own answers, this decade I plan to be a 'multi-ethnic' family of seven (I will include my cats & dogs, in honor of ACORN's voter registration drive), with a yearly household income of $750,000. And as far as I am concerned, those will be the facts, to the best of my knowledge.





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But I sure would like to know all that stuff about my 2g grandfather!

I suppose I could be Hispanic since I had an ancestor who came from Spain. Or French, if that is a category. Maybe Native American since I was born here. And maybe that would classify me as multi-racial. Gotta give this some thought!


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SgtMunro - perfect! And, thank you Fitz for pointing out the value of the census when doing genealogical research. I have a family member who did use past censuses( sp?) for that purpose. Funny thing was there were people missing who should have been there and there were others no one ever heard of.

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I have also used the old census records for genealogical research, and I agree that they are absolutely invaluable.

Di, imagine doing what I did in 1980... but on horseback... possibly with very poor, or no, maps... over muddy, dirt roads... or through the wilderness with no roads at all! It would have been nearly impossible to locate everybody. I am sure that is why people were missed. Also, with families living together -- parents with children -- cousins being raised by aunts and uncles -- neighbors taking in orphaned children -- sometimes it is difficult to find them if they are not where you think they should be.

Also, beware of transcripts. I couldn't find an ancestor that I knew without a doubt was in a certain area during a certain time. He just wasn't in the transcripts. Finally, I went to the originals. I found him at the very bottom of a page. The transciber had simply missed him.

My advice is this: if you fill out the form, whether in part or totally, be truthful. Your great-great-great-grandchildren will thank you! If you don't want to answer some of the questions, be prepared for the resulting calls and visits.

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And I would add, beware of family histories. There are a few available for branches of my family, and local area histories as well. Sometimes they do not agree. The family history often is "history" as the family wants it told. My 5g grandfather had three sons and two daughters. But one of those daughters married a man who was half Cherokee. She was completely written out of the family history, just like the did it in the USSR. The only reason we know about her is because the area history mentions it, along with a statement about her being "written out".


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