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From Casey Research, ...
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Does anybody remember the reason given for the establishment of the Department of Energy.... during the Carter Administration?
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Anybody? No?
Didn't think so! Ready??
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It was very simple... and at the time, everybody thought it very appropriate.
The Department of Energy was instituted on 8-04-1977 to lessen our dependence on foreign oil.
Hey, pretty efficient, huh???
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And now its 2009 32 years later and the budget for this necessary department stands at $24.2 billion a year. They have 16,000 federal employees and approximately 100,000 contract employees. And look at the job they have done!
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Good ole bureaucracy.
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And now we are going to turn the banking system, healthcare, and the auto industry over to the same government?
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Hellooo! Anybody home?
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di-mc
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 Posted Octob/09 @ 08:33
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| Yep! Don't we still have a tax on phone bills to pay for some long forgotten war? Spanish American maybe? OOOPs! We're going to have to change the name of that one, aren't we? Kind of like what we're calling the war in Iraq - it's now something else - like "overseas American savagery". |
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Posted Novem/09 @ 39:28
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Absolutely unbelievable, ...
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Mohammed and the four others -- Waleed bin Attash, Ramzi Binalshibh, Mustafa Ahmad al-Hawsawi and Ali Abd al-Aziz Ali -- are accused of orchestrating the attacks that killed 2,973 people on Sept. 11, 2001, and will now be tried in a courtroom down the street from the World Trade Center.
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WASHINGTON -- Lawmakers and victims' families expressed outrage Friday that President Obama has approved a recommendation to try self-proclaimed Sept. 11 architect Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and four other Guantanamo Bay to New York to face trial in a civilian federal court.
"These terrorists planned and executed the mass murder of thousands of innocent Americans. Treating them like common criminals is unconscionable," Sen. John Cornyn, R-Texas, said in a statement.
"This, I think, will go down as one of the worst decisions any president has ever made," said Rep. Peter King, R-N.Y.
"The only thing they are going to do is give them a stage to mock us ... and this makes me sick to my stomach," said Tim Brown, a former New York City firefighter and founder of Thebravest.com, a group that is petitioning the administration not to bring terrorists to civilian courts.
Attorney General Eric Holder was to announce the decision to transfer the detainees now at Guantanamo Bay during a morning new conference.
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https://keepamericasafe.wufoo.com/forms/z7x4z5/
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Believable - by TCups
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I agree with Limbaugh here -- it is not the terrorists who will be put on trial in NY. It will be the Bush administration, the CIA, and America who will be put on trial, and it is exactly what BHO wants, the little radical socialist bastard (and I mean that quite literally, not just as an off-hand slur).
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These a-holes ARE NOT COMMON CRIMINALS!!! ... This is NOT about justice, it's all about left-wing politics!!! |
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di-mc
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Posted Novem/09 @ 05:13
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| These people making such assinine decisions are going too far. I don't understand the reasoning that gives foreign terrorists the rights and privileges of an American citizen. Everyday there's another assault on this country from the inside by people at the very highest levels of government. How many people are really surprised? BO told us who he was and people didn't believe him, all they heard was "change". He said he wanted single payer(government)healthcare passed in his first term, he said his plan for "cap in trade" would result in astronomical increases in electric bills, he attended a church whose pastor said many disturbing things for 20 years, one of his friends and mentors is a domestic terrorist, the list is long. He said that the constitution is flawed because it only addresses what the federal government can't do, not what it should do. No one should be shocked or surprised with the decisions that are being made. |
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Runningbear
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Posted Novem/09 @ 51:27
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Di-mc
How far will they be permitted to go before We the People stop them? They are stripping us of all our freedoms and rights, and giving those very same rights to terrorists and foreigners. And you have it right, "Everyday there's another assault on this country from the inside by people at the very highest levels of government." And I'll go on to add, every second of every minute of every hour of every day, we loose more and more than what we ever thought we would or could by electing him.
How did he get elected one may ask? BO told us who he was, and enough people believed him to elect him. People wanted a "change", but were unprepared for the "change" he envisioned. "He said he wanted healthcare passed in his first term" which appealed to many who saw greed and corruption in the present healthcare and insurance system and thought the big O would straighten this out. "he said his plan for "cap in trade" would help reduce green house gasses. But in reality, what it would do was, "result in astronomical increases in electric bills", "he attended a church whose pastor said many disturbing things for 20 years", and yet through one of the finest speaches of his entire campaigne allayed any fears that he was associated with anything to fear. "one of his friends and mentors is a domestic terrorist", but this was overlooked, because there was no direct association between the two, or so it seemed. "He said that the constitution is flawed because it only addresses what the federal government can't do, not what it should do." HIs eloquence and his charisma elected him, and yet there is one element that all have missed. The old biblical passage that said, "and he shall enter in peaceably".
He decieved enough people to get elected, how will he hold power through the next election? Will some deception also cicumvent that also, so that he continues to hold power? And the number of his name is 6 hundred, 6 score and 6. 6, 7, 5... 6,0,0...7(-1),0...and (+1) 5, is 666. Note (and) in boolean algebra, the precursor of the modern computers was and still is used in computer languages as an (addition) or (+). |
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BookwormMG
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Posted Novem/09 @ 21:54
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"Let them come to New York. Let them get on trial. Let's do it the right way, for all the world to see what they're like. Let's go. It's been too long. Let's get some justice." -- A retired firefighter whose son, also a firefighter, died on 9/11.
"I welcome anything that would bring these terrorists to trial.... We want these people brought to justice." -- A mother who lost her son on 9/11.
"It is fitting that 9/11 suspects face justice near the World Trade Center site, where so many New Yorkers were murdered." New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg.
Why do you want to deny a local jury the opportunity to pass judgment on these guys? It's poetic justice. Even more so, given that the prosecutorial team will be drawn not only from the Southern District of New York but also from the Eastern District of Virginia.
And why do you have so little faith in the American (civilian) system of justice? It was able to handle the first World Trade Center bombers in the early '90s, Timothy McVeigh, would-be presidential assassins, etc. This decision is a huge political risk (as evidenced by your comments), and the Attorney General wouldn't have made it if he wasn't sure that there is ample evidence -- disclosable to the public, and not obtained by torture -- to support convictions. And he's going to seek the death penalty.
As for the Bush administration and the CIA being put on trial (presumably through the efforts of defense counsel, as the prosecutors certainly aren't going to do it), the bulwark against any such development will be the federal trial judge and his/her authority to preclude questioning about matters that he/she deems irrelevant.
Let's have a little faith in America, like that retired firefighter quoted above. Let's do it the right way and let all the world see the bad guys for what they are.
P.S. As far as I know, the literal meaning of "bastard" is still "a person born out of wedlock (i.e., to unmarried parents)." In light of that now-famous birth announcement in the Honolulu Advertiser -- "Mr. and Mrs. Barack H. Obama, son" -- the literal meaning is not applicable to the President. Correct me if I'm wrong. (And if you're going to stretch the meaning to encompass those not only born but conceived out of wedlock, you'll probably render illegitimate half the population of the world.)
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Runningbear
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Posted Novem/09 @ 42:04
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BwMG:
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And why do you have so little faith in the American (civilian) system of justice? It was able to handle the first World Trade Center bombers in the early '90s, Timothy McVeigh, would-be presidential assassins, etc. This decision is a huge political risk (as evidenced by your comments), and the Attorney General wouldn't have made it if he wasn't sure that there is ample evidence -- disclosable to the public, and not obtained by torture -- to support convictions. And he's going to seek the death penalty
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And if they go free? The last time I checked our Civil Laws said a person was Innocent until proven guilty. And if during the course of investigation his Civil Rights were violated, he could walk. Better Gitmo forever than New York at any time. Hate to say this, but Bush was right, BO, well, lets just say what he did stinks. |
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Posted Novem/09 @ 06:25
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| BW, - I have NO interest in impressing our neighbors one way or another. What transpired was an act of war, - and should be treated as such. This will cost tens of millions, probably take years, and in the end turn into a total media circus. ... Now they're entitled to be tried by a jury of their piers - really. Are we now required to bring in other terrorists to sit on this jury??? Anything less and it's not a fair trial. Doing this doesn't put them on trial, - it puts the U.S. on trial. |
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richfed
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Posted Novem/09 @ 53:33
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| Mary, we are - you and I - miles apart on this issue. I could write an essay, but I'll sum it all up with two letters: "OJ" |
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Runningbear
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Posted Novem/09 @ 10:33
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Rich, What you said.
PS: "one of his friends and mentors is a domestic terrorist", but this was overlooked, because there was no direct association between the two, or so it seemed. Are we overlooking something here? Want to place any bets? 10 to 1 says most of them walks |
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di-mc
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Posted Novem/09 @ 10:29
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Bookworm,
One of the main problems I have with them being tried in a Federal Court is that they are being given the rights of American citizens. They are not American Citizens. This show will cost multi-millions and they will have a world wide audience listening to their rants. We will hear about how the US is the great satan, etc. No thank you. They didn't try Hitler's co-horts in any country's court system. Imagine the monsters who ran the murder of millions of Jews and other undesirables, being given the rights of American citizens. This decision is despicable. |
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