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maiinkan
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 Posted - February 08 2006 : 5:51:28 PM
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| Following Custer thru the Civil War you learn he had no qualms about spending men to further his career. I feel sorry for the men who died because of his ego. Maiinkan |
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oxUncasLuvrxo
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Posted - July 08 2006 : 10:01:46 PM
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| I think the entire US Army policy in general. I mean, if they hadn't been campaigning to push the indians off their land and put them on reservations all those years, then that massacre never would have happened. It was the indians' land anyway. But Custer was too cocky for his own good though. He never could have imagined the indians could have all grouped up in such huge numbers like that, thinking that this battle would be like every other battle. (Especially like the Washita River massacre). He thought that the indians were a stupid, inferior people with no idea of military tactics that could possibly jepordize the Seventh Cavalry. |
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SgtMunro
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Posted - July 16 2006 : 7:10:07 PM
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oxUncasLuvrxo said: He thought that the indians were a stupid, inferior people with no idea of military tactics that could possibly jepordize the Seventh Cavalry.
I do not think that a man who once rated western natives as 'The finest light horse soldiers in the world', would think his native opponent as stupid. He was hoping to catch them in camp, and with their guard down, and thus he is only guilty of underestimating their readiness and resolve.
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blueotter
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Posted - July 17 2006 : 06:13:06 AM
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He had high regard for their horsemanship, but he thought their culture was beneath human dignity. The men of the Lakota tribe spent a lot of time in camp doing seemingly unproductive projects: storytelling, painting, gambling. This is counter to the society that Custer was born to. And by the time of the Greasy Grass, Custer's bout with syphilis was pretty well into his brain, causing him to act in ways that his former self might regret. He had no chance to regret, however!
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SgtMunro
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Posted - July 17 2006 : 07:15:35 AM
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blueotter noted: He had high regard for their horsemanship, but he thought their culture was beneath human dignity. The men of the Lakota tribe spent a lot of time in camp doing seemingly unproductive projects: storytelling, painting, gambling. This is counter to the society that Custer was born to.
"...Storytelling, painting, gambling..." Those could very well describe the activities found going on in any Victorian-Era officers' mess
But all kidding aside, he may have not cared for their culture, but he did respect their military prowess.
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richfed
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SgtMunro
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Posted - July 17 2006 : 4:14:18 PM
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I agree Sachem, although I do admit to never previously knowing of his opinion of the western natives as a people, I do know for a fact that he respected them greatly for their martial skill. I am sure that the natives felt the same way about the Americans, that being if they could not have our love and admiration, then our fear and respect for them would suffice.
No matter what Custer may have felt about them, he most certainly would have never thought them to be stupid... Cunning and pragmatic, maybe, but never stupid.
YMH&OS,
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Capt. Thos. Graham's Coy.
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joseph wiggs
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Posted - December 15 2006 : 8:44:33 PM
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Non-facts are the essence of all that is delightfully fascinating to the human psyche. It embellishes reality to a point of an excruciating titillating of Ecstasy where wild dreams and unfulfilled fantasies run rampant.
Non-facts are also the seeds of insanity that create an environment of fear and hate that eventually evolves from loathsome seedlings into the maturation of hate, war, and man's Inhumanity to Man.
Where do all the non-facts come from? The same place that all the soldiers have gone; "a long time passing." |
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Monadnock Guide
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Posted - December 16 2006 : 5:34:17 PM
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| An very interesting thread, - and I think Sachem quoting Custer makes a lot of sense. One might not "like" their adversary, but can still admire their qualities. |
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joseph wiggs
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Posted - January 06 2007 : 4:01:53 PM
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Another interesting thought is that despite their energetic efforts to annihilate the Indian warriors, several Officers (as Custer) appeared to harbor a health respect which bordered on admiration.
For example: "The best horseman in the world, he can, on his fleet little pony (the speed of which is a matter of wonder to the White man) pass over incredible distance in the shortest time."
and: "You can not point to one single treaty made with the Indians which has not, at some time or another, been violated by the Whites." |
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