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Fitzhugh Williams
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 Posted - August 30 2007 : 6:43:47 PM
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Has anybody heard of this one?
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"Preparations are underway for a 250th anniversary event commemorating the 1757 raid by Sieur de Bellestre/Belletre on the village of German Flatts in the Mohawk Valley of NY. The event will be held on October 13 & 14, 2007."
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"On Route 5S, just east of the Fort Herkimer Church. I think they call it "Patriot's Field" now. South side of the river, about 5 minutes from the Village of Herkimer."
"Unfortunately, the actual site of the Burnetsfield/German Flatts raids IS the village of Herkimer now. Personally, I'd rather not have the advanced camp in the Arby's parking lot (altough we'd be well fed for the march home Very Happy )."
"I am coming up with a set of General Orders for the event and will put them out when done. "
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Wilderness Woman
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Posted - August 30 2007 : 9:28:44 PM
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If you mean the original event that occurred in 1757, yes. I knew about it. But only just recently when I sort of stumbled upon it by accident on the internet. My German Palatine ancestors lived very near that area, but none of my families were affected by the raid, that I know of. Most interesting sequence of events.
Raid on German Flatts
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Fitzhugh Williams
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Posted - August 31 2007 : 01:03:57 AM
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| It is a post on the Frontier Folks message board (of which you are a member, IIRC). In is on the "Colonial Nouvelle France/New France" forum. When I saw the mention of Herkimer I remembered that this was your area, or rather your ancestors'. And also the area of Drums Along The Mohawk, I think. I don't know how big this will be. They may have started planning a little late, but you never know. |
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Monadnock Guide
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Posted - August 31 2007 : 08:22:29 AM
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| Very interesting read on German Flatts WW. |
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Wilderness Woman
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Posted - August 31 2007 : 08:28:02 AM
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Ah. I'll go over there and check it out. I have never looked at that particular forum, not having any connection to New France. I only lurk in the Frontier Women forum.
Yes, "Drums" took place in that exact area. Fort Dayton played a prime roll in that story.
Well, it will probably end up being a pretty small event. I would head up that way as an observer; however, that is the same weekend as the Augusta's participation at Fort Ligonier. How could I possibly pass up the chance to once again sleep with a whole Regiment??? 
(That's an inside joke, folks. We all sleep in the same cabin, with our cots all lined up along the walls, men and women all together. I use the word "sleep" quite loosely because the snoring is positively deafening.) |
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Obediah
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Posted - August 31 2007 : 08:36:26 AM
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But of course, what else could we possibly believe?   |
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Monadnock Guide
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Posted - August 31 2007 : 08:41:20 AM
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| Ahh, the good ol' days! Haven't changed a bit - have you? |
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Fitzhugh Williams
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Posted - August 31 2007 : 09:53:44 AM
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Originally posted by Wilderness Woman
Well, it will probably end up being a pretty small event. I would head up that way as an observer; however, that is the same weekend as the Augusta's participation at Fort Ligonier. How could I possibly pass up the chance to once again sleep with a whole Regiment???
Vous couchez avec tout du régiment? Mon Dieu!!! Que fatigant!!!
You should check out the "French" board. Much more interesting than the "Walnut" board. |
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Wilderness Woman
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Posted - August 31 2007 : 10:19:50 AM
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Yes. Quite. Well... did I not say that I never get much sleep? 
That's right, MG! Miss Goody Two-Shoes still reigns! Long Live the Queen!
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Posted - August 31 2007 : 10:23:16 AM
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Originally posted by Monadnock Guide
Very interesting read on German Flatts WW.
Yes, it is. And what I find particularly interesting is the fact that the German people, who had been living side-by-side with the Mohawk Indians since about 1720, apparently chose not to believe one whom they considered to be a friend when he warned them of the impending attack! Fascinating! |
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Posted - August 31 2007 : 10:25:05 AM
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But of course, what else could we possibly believe?
Obi!! I'm crushed!!!   I thought you were my friend and peer!
[WW turns sadly and walks away from a smirking Obi, using her petticoat to wipe her tears.] |
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Obediah
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Posted - August 31 2007 : 10:58:33 AM
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Of course we are friends, WW, otherwise I wouldn't be able to insult you like that.
Oh wait a minute, I didn't mean that about you: you're not French! |
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Posted - August 31 2007 : 11:11:10 AM
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| W-e-e-e-l-l.... all right, then. [sniff] That's better. I forgive you for your momentary lapse from sanity. I'm just happy you came to your senses. |
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Posted - September 01 2007 : 06:41:09 AM
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[WW and Fitzhugh
Remember about Washington's Encampment in 2008. We hope to have applications/registrations out by end of Sept. I will need names and addresses.
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Wilderness Woman
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Posted - September 01 2007 : 08:35:39 AM
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| The Capt. (Seamus) has already been talking about it to our group. It has to go through our Events Committee, but I would imagine it is a go. As Seamus said in another thread recently, we (The 3rd Battalion Pennsylvania, or the Fort Augusta Regiment) have to be there! After all... we built the road! |
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lonewolf
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Posted - September 05 2007 : 5:47:36 PM
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Greetings,
I first read of the account of German Flats in one of Allan W. Eckert's fine narratives of the time period of the French and Indian War.
The German settlers there wished to remain neutral, but they were attacked by French and Indian raiders, anyway. They killed many of the Germans and took many of them prisoner.
For any of you who are into re-enacting the French and Indian and Revolution time period, Allan's books are a "must read" for you. I found several of my ancestors in these books. I also gave Allan details of the battle of Lochry's Run in August of 1781, during the Revolution, in which my white 4x great-grandfather, Sgt. John James Black, was killed in battle fighting my Shawnee people, just off of the Ohio River near the border of Indiana. Joseph Brant (Thayendanegea) also fought with my Shawnee people along with a party of his Mohawks. Brant prevented the slaughter of white prisoners. Shawnees would have killed all of them, or at the least, the majority of them.
However, my 4x great-grandfather, Sgt. Black and Col. Lochry were killed in the initial fight. Prisoners were taken to Canada, and released after the war, at which time they made their way back home to the area of present-day Pittsburgh. Sgt. Black's remains were later retreived from the battlefield and returned home, where he was buried near Saltsburg, Penna., the former village of Chief Blacklegs, and the site of our annual Lenni-Lenape ("Original People", the Agonkin speakers) Pow-wow every August.
Also, do any of you know what is happening at Fort Pitt at the Three Rivers? The place is all dug up and there is one big mess at that place right now? Bulldozers everywhere!
I couldn't believe that it cost twelve dollars to park in the visitors lot or Fort Pitt! What a rip-off! I parked on the street next to it!
I also visited the new Native American display at the Carnegie Museum in Pittsburgh. I was disappointed that there is very little there in reference to the eastern Native American people in the display rooms. Almost all of the entire display features Eskimos and Athabaskin people, and other indigenous people from the far Northwest! And to think, the fate of North America was decided on the very land on which the museum stands, and the area of Pittsburgh and western Pennsylvania, in general! Although a beautiful display, more emphasis could surely have been shown as to the Native Americans who occupied the area of the eastern part of this continent! What were they thinking when this display was created?
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Posted - September 06 2007 : 7:46:19 PM
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Unfortunatlly, there are spending millions of dollarsto redevelop the park with no thought whatsoever to history. Filled in the Mjsic Bastion of Fort Pitt, found human remains and possibly remnants of a casemate of Fort Pitt and disposed of it. Did You visit the museum? They cover Woodland IndiansNatives) and their part in the F and I War. %The museum has nothing to do with parking.I wish I knew you were in Pittsburgh so I could meet you. Sometime I would like to get a phone number so I can discuss something with you.
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lonewolf
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Posted - September 06 2007 : 11:39:37 PM
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Hi Trailman,
My pnone # is: 704-968-3751, and it's my mobile phone, since you can rarely catch me at home.
Where do you live? In Pittsburgh proper, or near there? |
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lonewolf
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Posted - September 07 2007 : 12:13:25 AM
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Hi Trailman,
If the construction workers at Fort Pitt dug up skeletal remains, I hope that they sealed them in biohazard containers. Many soldiers died of smallpox at that fort, and these remains may be of some who died of the disease and were buried there at the fort. I not a medical expert, but the smallpox bacteria may be able to go dormant and still be alive in the remains, even after two hundred or more years. Also, the remains should be indentified as white or Indian, and be properly reburied with honors, not just thrown in a box or discaded. If they are Indian bones, NAGPRA and Indian lawyers will swoop on them like "stink on sh--"!
In any case, they should be treated with respect. |
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Posted - September 07 2007 : 6:59:28 PM
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I live about 13 to 14 miles east of Pgh.as the hawk flies in Plum Borough where the event is held in 2009. You can google about the bones and the rest of the idiotic stuff about the park.
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Posted - September 07 2007 : 9:47:15 PM
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Originally posted by Fitzhugh Williams
Vous couchez avec tout du régiment? Mon Dieu!!! Que fatigant!!!
Mon Dieu ! Et j'ai pensé des Irlandais étaient un enfant sauvage !
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Posted - September 09 2007 : 11:29:47 AM
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| Babelfish can't seem to translate that so it makes any sense. What are you trying to say? |
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Posted - September 09 2007 : 1:49:18 PM
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I think I figured out most of it: "I thought Irishmen were wild!" La femme de desert translates to "Wilderness Woman". But that last part has got me stumped.
Personally, I'm starting to think that we should remove "erness" from your name!  |
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Wilderness Woman
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Posted - September 09 2007 : 2:41:44 PM
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Now there you go again, Obi!  Insulting me when you say you are my friend. [WW places her hands on her hips and taps her right foot]
Wild Woman????  Oh, yeah. Sure. That's definitely me.
NOT!!!!!!! |
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Posted - September 09 2007 : 4:06:51 PM
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Oops, sorry, I keep mistaking you for a French woman.
Double oops, somehow I don't believe that apology was entirely helpful... *snicker snicker* |
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