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Theresa
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Posted - September 30 2002 :  11:03:18 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
In the October issue of "Cowboys and Indians" there is an article about one of our favorite "Mohicans". I haven't had time to read it in its entirety but from what I've read so far, Mr. Means is quite a colorful guy. There are some unique looking photos along with it. I don't have a scanner but I would be happy to type the article if anyone is interested. BTW, it's the issue with Michael Keaton on the front, who looks mighty fine in that cowboy git-up hisownself.

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Posted - September 30 2002 :  11:49:25 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote  Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
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There?s been no instance in recorded white man?s history where the Indians have ever burned anyone at the stake. Or ever tortured anyone.



I believe old Russ had better do a little more reading before he does a little more talking. But he did say burned. Maybe he makes a distinction between "burned" and "slow roasted". I doubt that the victims did.

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Posted - October 01 2002 :  09:33:49 AM  Show Profile  Click to see Bea's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote  Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
I have encountered the same discreprancies in his book..

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Posted - October 01 2002 :  1:15:23 PM  Show Profile  Visit richfed's Homepage  Click to see richfed's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote  Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by Bea:
I have encountered the same discreprancies in his book..





You're being too kind, Bea. For a man of such articulate wisdom, obvious intelligence, and [sometimes] personable nature, he sure does blow it when it comes to certain topics. He just can't seem accept the truth! It's like the nutcracker thing ... oh, never mind!

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Posted - October 01 2002 :  4:44:02 PM  Show Profile  Click to see Bea's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote  Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
I know, I know...
About that nutcracker thing..:)

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Posted - October 01 2002 :  4:56:33 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote  Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
Well, it's not that the NA's were any better or worse than the British or the French. All were equally brutal. So no one should think they were above that sort of thing. The fact is that was a different time, and place, and a different culture. You can't judge 18th century people by 20th century standards, NA or otherwise. I think that you have to keep this in mind when reading about the atrocities of those times, and I also think that no one was innocent.

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Posted - November 11 2002 :  11:02:30 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote  Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
Russell should read the book " Captured by the Indians ".. There
are a few slow roastings in there...

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"I think the Spirit, is the one thing we have to rely on. It has been handed to us as a live and precious coal. And each generation has to make that decision whether they want to blow on that coal to keep it alive or throw it away...Our language, our histories and culture are like a big ceremonial fire that's been kicked and stomped and scattered... Out in the darkness we can see those coals glowing. But our generation, whether in tribal government or wherever we find ourselves--Choctaw, Cherokee, Chickasaw, Creek, Seminole-- are coal gatherers. We bring the coals back, assemble them and breathe on them again, so we can spark a flame, around which we might warm ourselves." Gary White Deer, Chickasaw 1994
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Posted - July 27 2005 :  11:15:18 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote  Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
I did not read the article but all I have to add is "war IS hell" ask a vet of any conflict. Maiinkan

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