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Obediah
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 Posted - August 31 2006 : 12:20:21 PM
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Poll Question:
Being a former reenactor (Civil War), I'm curious as to which model of the "Brown Bess" musket different people (Brit infantry/Highlander infantry/Light infantry/Ranger) use. Also, what brand of reproduction do ya'll use? I assume that nobody is STOOPID enough to use an original!  And tell us your unit, if you don't mind!
Man, I'd love to start reenacting again (F&I/RevWar). Only 2 little problems for me: 1) Arthritis for the last 15 years, and 2) F&I is extremely rare here in the PRK (Peoples' Republik of Kalifornia).
**According to MilitaryHeritage.com there is no evidence that the 1756 version was used here in North America during that time period.
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SgtMunro
Soldier of the King
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Posted - September 13 2006 : 4:28:02 PM
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Hi Obediah,
As my signature shows, I am part of Captain Graham's Coy., 42nd Royal Highland Regiment. My group portrays this company of the 42nd during the years 1756-1767, which covers their Pre-AWI North American service. As for the type of firelock I use, well I have a couple:
1) For a general Battalion Company impression, I use my '1742' Long-Land Pattern Musket-Bore firelock.
2) For Light Company impressions of our regiment, and also as a Sergeant (And starting next year, as Captain Graham himself), I use a '1759' Artillery Pattern Carbine-Bore firelock.
3) For my RevWar impression, as a private soldier in the 4th Battalion of the New Jersey Volunteers, I use the 'Second Model' Land Pattern firelock.
As for the rest of my guys, they seem to favor the 'Second-Model' Land Pattern firelock (ala Pederisoli style), with a 42-inch barrel and brass nosecap, for both F&IW and RevWar. If you are planning on doing both F&IW and RevWar, then the 'Second Model' is probably your best choice, because it is fairly accurate as far as length and weight of the service piece used Post-1759. Why I say this, is that after 1759 there were orders from ordinance officers, serving in North America, to shorten the barrels to 42 inches, and for the banding of the stock-ends, in order to prolong service life of the weapons.
Such orders can be found in various orderly books, from many regimental officers. The orders included specifications, and authorization to contract with local blacksmiths and gunsmiths, to perform the mods. I hope that this helps you.
YMH&OS,
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Serjeant-Major Duncan Munro
Capt. Thos. Graham's Coy.
42nd Royal Highland Regiment of Foote
(The Black Sheep of the Black Watch)
"Nemo Me Impune Lacessit"
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Fitzhugh Williams
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Posted - September 13 2006 : 6:14:15 PM
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There are people who know a lot more about the Brown Bess than I do and can tell you the differences between each model. But what it comes down to is a balance between authenticity and what is available.
On the bottom end of the price scale are the India-made guns. They offer the "look" at a cheap price. You can find a LLP for around $600, and with some additional work it can be made to look good from about 10 feet away, even closer. But there will be differences.
The Pedersoli is better, but it is only available in SLP, which is not correct for F&I except for certain impressions. BUT, it is a better gun, the wood is walnut, and the barrel is thinner. I like that, and since I don't really go into the details of the Bess, it works for me. I had rather use a Pedersoli for F&I than an India gun, since neither is correct for F&I anyway.
There is a rumor that Pedersoli will come out with a LLP at the end of this year, but I can't confirm it. If they do, it should be a good seller.
Now, IF I was really into doing a British impression of the F&I period, and IF I had all the intentions of staying with a specific unit, and IF I had around $2000+ to spend on a quality Bess, I would find the details of the Bess that my specific unit carried and have one constructed from Rifle Shoppe parts. Lots of "IF's" there. But I really like flintlocks and I appreciate quality ones. For me they are the essence of the time and not just a prop to be carried on the field. But I came to reenacting by way of the flintlock. Others just buy a gun like they buy shoes or waistcoats, because they need them.
I do own a Pedersoli Bess and consider it a good gun. A purist can tell you all of what it wrong with it, but for a Rev War militia man from SC, it works for me. For F&I I am French, so the Bess is not a problem. Ever thought about being French? |
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Light of the Moon
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Posted - September 15 2006 : 12:32:28 PM
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Sorry all,
I only use Muskettes for sight shooting and it has gained me a little knowledge in use and care and its orgins but the whole "weaponry" used back then is waayyyy over my head!
Anyone got a bullseye? |
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richfed
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Posted - September 16 2006 : 08:47:16 AM
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I can't honestly really call myself a reenactor, but I do have much of the gear, including my very special rifle, Old Doc. You can read a bit about her here, in the archives.
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Light of the Moon
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Posted - September 16 2006 : 10:16:31 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by richfed
I can't honestly really call myself a reenactor, but I do have much of the gear, including my very special rifle, Old Doc. You can read a bit about her here, in the archives.
Cool shot, Rich! |
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Obediah
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 Posted - September 29 2006 : 2:49:14 PM
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Seriously  , perhaps I will get a fusil and join the troupe de la marine. I mean, whoever heard of an "english kiss"?  |
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wes1761
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Posted - October 12 2006 : 11:52:32 AM
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I was using a 1st model from Middlesex Village, India made, but quality has come WAY up. It is the 1756 pattern. I also have 2 old 2nd models, one Japanese make marked Dixie Gun Works, the other unmarked, but really close to the Japanese one. Japanese lock Marked TOWER, and the other marked STOWE 1776. All are equally good shooters. Check my web-site for a few pics:
www.theitineranttinker.com
Respectfully,
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Obediah
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Posted - October 17 2006 : 11:06:41 AM
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Man, that 1717 Frenchie sure is purty!  |
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Monadnock Guide
Council of Elders
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Posted - October 17 2006 : 11:37:17 AM
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| One very interesting link Wes1761, - and the price of those rifles is excellent to say the least. Best of luck ... |
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Fitzhugh Williams
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Posted - October 17 2006 : 1:06:50 PM
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Originally posted by Obediah
Man, that 1717 Frenchie sure is purty!
One thing to watch, though, the 1717 is only good for a Rev War impression. The 1717 was never issued to the Troupes de la Marine, and the Troupes de Terre which came over in 1755 used later models. The 1717 was shipped to the Continentals because they were obsolete and in storage in French arsenals. For F&I you need the 1728 or later. |
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