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Kithanne
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Posted - May 01 2005 : 9:01:31 PM
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Hi I'm new to being a re-enactor.Can anyone give me some info on the style of clothing as a Delaware Indian. Period clothing.I'm interested in making my own.Where I can buy materials for the clothing.Or any native american clothing around 1756.In Western Pennsylvania.This is my first post. Nii njoosum (you are my friend) Kithanne
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Kithanne,
Are you a male or female? Your avatar looks male, but your username seems to be female.... sorry if I am being dense.
Anyway, although I know very little about where the Savages get their gear and materials, etc., here is a website that is full of people with a great deal of knowledge:
http://frontierfolk.net
Also, here is a website specifically for 18th century Indians:
http://www.concentric.net/~rowenna/woodland/index.html
I know that both of these connections can provide you with tons of information! But I'd also like to add the website of a quillworker I know, Pam Fry (aka Minx). She is by far one of the best in the country, and a very wonderful soul, as well. Their email link doesn't work, but the site provides their address and phone number.
Hope this helps. I do know of a sutler that deals mostly with Indian things, but cannot remember the name. I see them at a lot of events, and know them by sight and reputation -- they always try to pass on their good deals to their customers (They are from the Chicago area, and when I see them next, I will get their info and post it on the Mohican Board. They are worth the trouble. (Damn, I wish my memory could be better!)
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Sorry! I forgot to add Minx's website:
http://www.quillwork.net/
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Dear Kithanne,
Mme. Rose has given you some good places to start searching for help in your transformation into character. Hopefully my 'nephew', and good friend, Ouisaw Kitehi (Known around these parts as 'YoungNative') might come forward and offer you some of his well-earned insight and experience. He portrays a Shawnee of the Kispototha Sept, and has many connections within the circle of Eastern Woodland reenactors. As you already know, the Delaware are addressed as 'Uncle' or 'Grandfather' by the Shawnee due to common ancestral lineage, so he might also be able to help you in the actual 'first person' approach to living history as well. Good luck on your journey, for I know that you will find it rewarding.
Your Most Humble Servant,
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Welcome aboard, - only one "thing" though. The "Pittsburgh Steelers"? Clearly you need to work on that! Now had you mentioned the Patriots, - heh, heh. need I say more? |
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Guess I didn't look at your profile, 'else I would know you are a guy. Therefore, I take back what I said about your name sounding female.
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Kithanne
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Posted - May 02 2005 : 5:44:43 PM
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Hi Everyone The information you gave me.Will be very helpful. Thank you Doug |
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Sorry to intrude, but you might want take a look at the current issue of American Indan Art Magazine. There is an illustrated article by Dr. Christian Feest (Museum fur Volkerkunde, Vienna), about the new exhibit at Musee du quai Branley, in Paris - "Premieres Nations, Collections Royales". Fascinating images of items collected by Governors of New France prior to the Revolution in 1789. At least two great moccasin images. |
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Posted - March 30 2007 : 1:23:01 PM
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Bezahn (Greetings) Kitthane (Village at the Wide River),
Check out some of Robert Griffith's paintings. The Shawnee dress is accurate for the "Delawares" as well. They are our people. By the way, there never was such Native Americans as "Delawares". They are the Unamis (Turtles), the Unalachtigos (Turkeys), and the Munsees (Wolves). These three got stuck with the white name of "Delaware". To be accurate, don't use the word "Delaware". Those in western Penna. were the Munsees, those in mid-section of Penna. were the Unalachtigos, and those on the east coast were the Unamis. Be one of these. The state of Delaware was named for an Englishman, Thomas West, Lord De-La-War, and the Delaware River was given the same name. The Unamis were living along the river and were dubbed "Delawares" by the whites. A misnomer, to be sure! "Lenni-Lenape" is also a much misused word to describe these three groups, since Lenni-Lenape really means "Original People" who are made up of about forty distinct tribes from the west coast to the east coast, all of whom spoke the Algonkin language. This also includes a few tribes in Canada, such as the Chippewas and the Abanakis. And believe it or not, the Mohicans (our people) are still around. "The Last of the Mohicans" was only a fictional novel. The Blackfeet and Cheyenne in the west are also some of our people.
The Lenni-Lenape are my ancestors. I am Kispokotha Shawnee; we spoke the Algonkin language, and we are also of the Lenni-Lenape group of Native Americans.
I notice that a large percentage of white re-enactors who portray our Shawnee people, as well as those portraying the "Delawares" (the Unamis, Unalachtigos, and Munsees), wear scarfs on their heads. I can assure you that the majority of us did not wear "do-rags" on our heads. Most of us had shaved heads and wore a scalplock on the back of our heads with turkey feathers tied to the scalp-lock. We also cut our earlobes and stretches them to accept silver ornamentation. Go to the Bushy Run Battlefield Museum and look at the mannequin dressed as a Shawnee. Like I said, few of us ever wore "do-rags" or turbans. If you are not a for-real Native American and hold a Bureau of Indian Affairs identification card, do not wear raptor feathers, since it's illegal. They sell painted white turkey feathers that look like raptor feathers. Wear these. This will save you from paying a rather large fine or being thrown in jail by the Game Commission people. They go to re-enactments looking for these things. Wild Turkey feathers are alright.
We also had a stripe of red paint coming from the corners of our eyes going toward the backs of our heads. I dont see this at re-enactments. These were worn so that if we died in battle, the Great Spirit would recognize us as Shawnees as we pass to the Spirit World (the Grandfather Land). We wore moccasins sewn in a pucker fashion up the front, which identified us as Shawnees. You could actually tell what tribe an Indian belonged to by his moccasins. Never wear eagle bone whistles! A real Indians will confront you for wearing one of these, and they won't be happy! These are earned and sacred. They are not to be worn by non-Indians or real Indians who have not earned them. Deer bone whistles are alright. The Native Americans who lived at present-day Kittanning (Kit-hannee) were actually the Munsees, or Wolves. "Delaware" is not really accurate. It's not an Algonkin word!
Good luck in pursuing your regalia (not costume).
Real Indians don't assign themselves "Indian" names; names are sacred things given to us in proper ceremony by other Indians. Names could also change during our lifetimes.
Please don't wear pheasant feathers (I've seen this at French and Indian War re-enactments), since pheasants are not native to North America. They were brought from China in the 1800's, a bit late for the French and Indian War, and the Revolution.
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Posted - March 30 2007 : 6:45:17 PM
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They will undoubtly need all the support they can get this coming season. |
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Posted - April 01 2007 : 12:01:16 PM
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Yes they willa bit of help, and I hope that certain Steelers learn to wear helmets on and off the field. Especially while riding motorcycles! |
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Kithanne
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Posted - April 28 2007 : 9:19:48 PM
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quote: Originally posted by North Dakota Mark
Sorry to intrude, but you might want take a look at the current issue of American Indan Art Magazine. There is an illustrated article by Dr. Christian Feest (Museum fur Volkerkunde, Vienna), about the new exhibit at Musee du quai Branley, in Paris - "Premieres Nations, Collections Royales". Fascinating images of items collected by Governors of New France prior to the Revolution in 1789. At least two great moccasin images.
Thanks North Dakota Mark for the info.I'll look at the issue of American Indian Art Magazine.
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Kithanne
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Posted - April 28 2007 : 9:46:38 PM
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quote: Originally posted by lonewolf
Bezahn (Greetings) Kitthane (Village at the Wide River),
Check out some of Robert Griffith's paintings. The Shawnee dress is accurate for the "Delawares" as well. They are our people. By the way, there never was such Native Americans as "Delawares". They are the Unamis (Turtles), the Unalachtigos (Turkeys), and the Munsees (Wolves). These three got stuck with the white name of "Delaware". To be accurate, don't use the word "Delaware". Those in western Penna. were the Munsees, those in mid-section of Penna. were the Unalachtigos, and those on the east coast were the Unamis. Be one of these. The state of Delaware was named for an Englishman, Thomas West, Lord De-La-War, and the Delaware River was given the same name. The Unamis were living along the river and were dubbed "Delawares" by the whites. A misnomer, to be sure! "Lenni-Lenape" is also a much misused word to describe these three groups, since Lenni-Lenape really means "Original People" who are made up of about forty distinct tribes from the west coast to the east coast, all of whom spoke the Algonkin language. This also includes a few tribes in Canada, such as the Chippewas and the Abanakis. And believe it or not, the Mohicans (our people) are still around. "The Last of the Mohicans" was only a fictional novel. The Blackfeet and Cheyenne in the west are also some of our people.
The Lenni-Lenape are my ancestors. I am Kispokotha Shawnee; we spoke the Algonkin language, and we are also of the Lenni-Lenape group of Native Americans.
I notice that a large percentage of white re-enactors who portray our Shawnee people, as well as those portraying the "Delawares" (the Unamis, Unalachtigos, and Munsees), wear scarfs on their heads. I can assure you that the majority of us did not wear "do-rags" on our heads. Most of us had shaved heads and wore a scalplock on the back of our heads with turkey feathers tied to the scalp-lock. We also cut our earlobes and stretches them to accept silver ornamentation. Go to the Bushy Run Battlefield Museum and look at the mannequin dressed as a Shawnee. Like I said, few of us ever wore "do-rags" or turbans. If you are not a for-real Native American and hold a Bureau of Indian Affairs identification card, do not wear raptor feathers, since it's illegal. They sell painted white turkey feathers that look like raptor feathers. Wear these. This will save you from paying a rather large fine or being thrown in jail by the Game Commission people. They go to re-enactments looking for these things. Wild Turkey feathers are alright.
We also had a stripe of red paint coming from the corners of our eyes going toward the backs of our heads. I dont see this at re-enactments. These were worn so that if we died in battle, the Great Spirit would recognize us as Shawnees as we pass to the Spirit World (the Grandfather Land). We wore moccasins sewn in a pucker fashion up the front, which identified us as Shawnees. You could actually tell what tribe an Indian belonged to by his moccasins. Never wear eagle bone whistles! A real Indians will confront you for wearing one of these, and they won't be happy! These are earned and sacred. They are not to be worn by non-Indians or real Indians who have not earned them. Deer bone whistles are alright. The Native Americans who lived at present-day Kittanning (Kit-hannee) were actually the Munsees, or Wolves. "Delaware" is not really accurate. It's not an Algonkin word!
Good luck in pursuing your regalia (not costume).
Real Indians don't assign themselves "Indian" names; names are sacred things given to us in proper ceremony by other Indians. Names could also change during our lifetimes.
Please don't wear pheasant feathers (I've seen this at French and Indian War re-enactments), sin |
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Posted - April 29 2007 : 11:15:39 PM
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It's so strange to hear all this about the Lenapes since I have a three part novel involving them. Spent years studying and gathering info on their language, customs, and such through their tribal council. It's just nice to run into someone who knows about them as well.
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Kithanne
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Posted - May 09 2007 : 9:15:42 PM
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The Chief of Kittanning in 1756 was "Captain Jacobs". His indian name was "Tawea". The massacre of the indians in Kittanning occured on Sept.8 1756.Tawea's brother's name was "Nometha".If anyone is interested in some history of the town of Kittanning I have some pictures of places around Kittanning on my website in my profile.Some of my information I found in the book "Indian Blood finding your Native American Ancestors" Vol.1 by Richard Pangburn.At the Armstrong County Historical Museum and Genealogical Society Inc. 300 N. McKean Kittanning.The Munsee Delaware language is almost non exsistent.Only a few still speak the language fluently.Some recordings were made in Sept. 1997. http://www.geocities.com/kit_hanne56/Doug.html?1113104285312 http://www.pbs.org/circleofstories/voices/voices_gallery.html
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Posted - May 13 2007 : 10:57:37 PM
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Hi Light of the Moon did you write the three part novel of the Lennape?If so where can I get a copy of the book? |
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Posted - May 17 2007 : 8:05:44 PM
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Hi Kitthanne,
As well as the Shawnee blood, I also carry the bloodlines of the Seneca and the Oneida of the Iroquois Six Nations. My 4x great grandfather was Chief White Peter of the Oneida. His wife, Seneca Molly, a full-blood Seneca is my 4x great grandmother. Chief White Peter was an eight year old white German settler child when captured by the Seneca at Fort Klingensmith in 1781. His parents, my white 5x great grandparents were killed in the raid. Fort Klingensmith is now Jeannette, Penna., not far from Bushy Run Battlefield. John Peter Klingensmith (Chief White Peter) was given to the Oneida to raise, and became the only white chief that the Oneida have ever had. Most of his descendants now live in Ontario, Canada. Some of us are from western Penna. A female Klingensmith cousin who also descends from Chief White Peter, now owns Chief White Peter's former farm near California, Penna.
Other Seneca ancestors of mine include Chief Cornplanter (half Irish John O'Bail), and Chief Redjacket from western New York state, as well as Queen Aliquippa who lived near Pittsburgh.
Our white and Indian families merged sometime around 1880 to 1910. Ironically, our white and Indian ancestors were trying to kill each other 250 years ago.
My Shawnee 4x great grandfather, Willenawah aka Great Eagle, fought against the British and American colonials at Fort Necessity (1754), the Braddock Battle at the Monongahela (1755) and Bushy Run (1763). He died in 1777 during the Revolution. His wife (my Shawnee 4x great grandmother) was a captive Scot, Elizabeth Gray, captured in western Maryland in 1755 squatting on Shawnee land. During prisoner exchanges, she decided to stay with the Shawnee, and married into the Shawnee Nation. I wear her Scot clan sashes on my regalia to honor her.
Our Klingensmith family reunion will be held this July at Bushy Run Battlefield. Indians and whites together. Better that we now share food and good times, than sharing musket balls with each other, as we did 250 years ago. |
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Posted - May 18 2007 : 6:30:56 PM
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The Chief Red Jacket was a White raised by the Indians. Pictures...A Shawnee Chief and 2 Delaware Chiefs.
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Posted - May 20 2007 : 09:36:27 AM
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That's gotta be the biggest medallion I've ever seen.
But, all joking aside, nice pictures. Where did you get them? |
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Posted - May 20 2007 : 12:37:36 PM
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I have the pictures on a cd rom I bought in 1994 from Objective Computing.That medallion is huge! lol.The Pictures were painted by well known artist of that time period.Late 1700's to 1800's.By Master Artist Seth Eastman. |
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Posted - May 20 2007 : 12:44:18 PM
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Hi RedFraggle One of Seth Eastmans paintings.
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Posted - June 28 2007 : 08:32:39 AM
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quote: Originally posted by Kithanne
The Chief of Kittanning in 1756 was "Captain Jacobs". His indian name was "Tewea". The massacre of the indians in Kittanning occured on Sept.8 1756.Tewea's brother's name was "Nometha".If anyone is interested in some history of the town of Kittanning I have some pictures of places around Kittanning on my website in my profile.Some of my information I found in the book "Indian Blood finding your Native American Ancestors" Vol.1 by Richard Pangburn.At the Armstrong County Historical Museum and Genealogical Society Inc. 300 N. McKean Kittanning.The Munsee Delaware language is almost non exsistent.Only a few still speak the language fluently.Some recordings were made in Sept. 1997.
http://www.pbs.org/circleofstories/voices/voices_gallery.html
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Posted - September 05 2007 : 4:33:16 PM
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Hi Kithanne,
Myself and Ron Grayfeather, a Cherokee, were present at the Kittanning Festival this summer. We represented the Native Americans at the festival. There was a well dressed re-enactor with us, as well. A very young man. He is not Native American, but he looked sharp in his re-enactor regalia. He wears a feather through his nose, and some of you may know him. We all spoke to the people who stopped to ask questions of us, and we had a real good time at the festival.
I also attended the anniverary event at Bushy Run Battlefield this summer, as well as a family reunion there. A good number of our Klingensmith family lines are Native Americans. 250 years ago, our ancestors from this same family were trying to kill each other. Were any of you from the Mohican Board at the Bushy Run Battle anniversary? I wore my Shawnee regalia to honor my Shawnee 4x great-grandfather, Willenawah aka "Great Eagle" who survived the fight there in 1763. I have the names of 265 Shawnees who survived the battle, but unfortunately, I don't have the names of the people from the other tribes who fought there. One of the Shawnee warriors who fought there was a female named Nonhelema. She also survived. The names of the dead are never mentioned after death. An old Shawnee custom. So I don't know the names or the numbers of the ones who died. The weather was great when I attended on Saturday, but I couldn't make it on Sunday. The artist Robert Griffith was signing prints there,as well as a couple of other artists who were present in the museum. Willenawah's wife, a captured white Scot woman who had red hair and blue eyes, named Elizabeth Gray, is my 4x great-grandmother from the Shawnee line. She was captured in 1755 in western Maryland. During prisoner exchanges she chose to stay with the Shawnees. My Shawnee mother descends through this line. From my 3x great-grandmother through to my grandmother, they married within the Shawnees. They carried the name of Gray forward, taking the name of Willenawah's wife, Elizabeth Gray, as is customary. My maternal grandmother married a Seneca-Oneida man. My mother married a Pennsylvania Deutsche(German Amish) man. They are good people. So, I inherited my blue eyes either from Elizabeth Gray or the German Amish influence. My late brother appeared to be totally Native American, with no European features at all. My DNA got just a little bit mixed up! LOL! |
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Posted - September 05 2007 : 9:53:53 PM
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Hi Ken I didn't go to the Fort Armstrong Festival.Would have liked to have went there.I'm related to the Klingensmiths too!I'm Pennsyvania German Dutch also.My Native American Indian ancestory is from my Grandmother on my Father's part of the family and also from my Mothers decendents.My Grandfather on my Father's part of the family is English .He came to America when he was 9 years old and was a coalminer.Still researching and getting info on my ancestory. Take care Doug
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Posted - September 07 2007 : 12:01:48 AM
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Hi Kithanne,
You will have to come to or annual Klingensmith reunion at Bushy Run Battlefield next July. Obviously, you are a cousin of mine somewhere down the line. The town of Jeannette, Penna. used to be Fort Klingensmith back there in the 1700's. The original spelling of the name was the German: "Kingelschmidt"! I have been told that it meant "iron worker" (blacksmith), and also "bellmakers", don't know which is correct. Anyway, they were in western Penna. for the French and Indian War, as well as the Revolution. They are now everywhere, and the joke at the family reunions is that "everyone is related to a Klingensmith"! They definitely believed in "going forth and multiplying"!LOL! Even among the Indians.
Also, since you have Native American blood in you, plan to dance with us at our annual Lenni-Lenape pow-wow at Norrytown, just a few miles east of Saltsburg. Our Native American pow-wow grounds are there.
Take care Cuz'n!
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