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Christina
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Posted - July 30 2004 :  5:43:40 PM  Show Profile  Visit Christina's Homepage  Send Christina an AOL message  Reply with Quote
Poll Question:
It's obvious to many of us that the discussion over the two gentlemen vying this year to be Commander in Chief has the potential to be long, bloody and divisive. So let's talk history. Which of these presidents of the 20th (and early 21st) century was your favorite? And why? (Let's reserve discussion to civilized discourse on why you liked the guy...please don't rip your fellow Mohicanites to shreds over their decision.)

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Franklin D. Roosevelt
Harry Truman
Dwight Eisenhower
John F. Kennedy
Lyndon B. Johnson
Richard Nixon
Gerald Ford
Jimmy Carter
Ronald Reagan
George H.W. Bush
Bill Clinton
George W. Bush
I didn't like any of them.


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Posted - July 30 2004 :  5:58:15 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote  Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
Toss up for me between Eisenhower (PA boy) and Truman. Though Ike was a great commander in WWII and a fine president I think, and began the vital interstate highway system, I admire Truman for his forthright, honest, no-bones-about-it way of handling things, and integrity. His war record is satisfactory also (Artillery commander in WWI as I recall). I absolutely loved "Give em Hell Harry". I have to say also, I admire Reagen's courage in his steadfast adherence to his principles in spite of the vehement campaign against those principles, his uttermost respect for the Office he held, and for the universal opinion that he treated everyone with respect and courtesy regardless of who they were. In my opinion, Reagen was probably the LAST president who told you honestly where he was coming from, what his principles and convictions were, and stood by them after elected. Everybody since, including the current President, was too poll oriented, says what they have to, you don't know where they really stand nor can you predict what they will do once in the office. They say and do what it takes to get in, and then do what they want once in. Bush included. Or at least, they are willing to compromise on their stated convictions and sell them out to remain in office as necessary.
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Posted - July 30 2004 :  7:25:51 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote  Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
So...why not include Warren G. Harding and Calvin Coolidge and Herbert Hoover and........(tongue in cheek!!....well, maybe)....

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Posted - July 30 2004 :  8:29:00 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote  Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
"The buck stops here."- sign on Truman's desk in the oval office.

Gotta love that sense of personal responsibility. It's a sentiment that has been lost in recent administrations.
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Posted - July 30 2004 :  10:54:19 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote  Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
My favorite President of the 20th century was the 26th President 1901-1906.

Theodore Roosevelt
Yosemite, CA


He was man all men could look up to. The youngest person to ever serve as President at 42. He was a Rough Rider, Conservationist, Naturalist, Badlands Rancher, and Republican/Bull Moose Progressive statesman whose policies and accomplishments included the crafting the Square Deal, sending out the Great White Fleet, endorsing Big Stick Diplomacy, successfully preserving what is now thousands of acres of national park land including the Grand Canyon, winning the Nobel Peace Prize as well as the Medal of Honor and inspiring the creation of the teddy bear. Heck, he was even shot in the chest, and calmly continued with his speech. For all these reasons he's my favorite President, but his greatest legacy, and my favorite is the National Parks.

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Posted - July 31 2004 :  02:17:06 AM  Show Profile  Visit SgtMunro's Homepage  Reply with Quote  Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
I voted for President Reagan, since my first choice was not available. I have to agree with CT Ranger, that Theodore Roosevelt was definitely tops for 20th century U.S. Presidents. He was the one man who did more to move the U.S. into 'World Power' status, and to make the 20th Century the 'American Century'. Starting with his writtings on naval docterine in the 1880's, to his tenure as Assistant Secretary of the Navy and later as a Colonel of the 1st U.S.V. Cavalry, all groomed him for the position of first U.S. President of the 20th Century. He led our nation proudly onto the world stage, and helped forge the reputation of the U.S. as the 'guys in the white hats'.

At home, he was no less effective in his domestic policy. From the breaking of monopolies to the creation of the National Park System, President Roosevelt was the original 'Compassionate Conservative' 100 years before the term was invented.




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Posted - July 31 2004 :  08:14:37 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote  Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
I like Ike, but yeah, what happened to TR?


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... He led our nation proudly onto the world stage, and helped forge the reputation of the U.S. as the 'guys in the white hats'. ...



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Not to mention the Great White Fleet from the days when coal smoke was a sign of American might, not "Global Warming":


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Posted - July 31 2004 :  09:11:14 AM  Show Profile  Visit SgtMunro's Homepage  Reply with Quote  Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
Amen to that, Scott. Nice photo!!! It is interesting to note that the USS Connecticut was one of the last 'Pre-Dreadnought' battleships commisioned by the U.S. Navy. The sight of the 'Great White Fleet' is as stiring to me as the sight of a modern U.S. CVN Battle Group...



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Posted - July 31 2004 :  8:46:33 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote  Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
My vote has gotta to go to Mr. Reagan (Though I'm a TR fan too). Many good men, a few who did not belong, but Ron reminded us why America is the best hope for mankind and brought the Founding Fathers back into our political discussion. Rest in Peace Mr. Reagan.

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Posted - August 01 2004 :  6:36:46 PM  Show Profile  Visit Christina's Homepage  Send Christina an AOL message  Reply with Quote  Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
Glad to see there are so many Teddy fans here...I started with FDR because I thought I would include presidents that there was a possibility some folks on the board might have been alive during or born close to their tenure...didn't want to get TOO encyclopedic with this poll...

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Posted - November 17 2004 :  9:47:50 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote  Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
I have to go with FDR. I don't think anyone else comes close in the 20th Century. He defined the phrase "war president," but he wasn't defined by that war.
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Posted - November 18 2004 :  03:52:38 AM  Show Profile  Visit blueotter's Homepage  Reply with Quote  Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
Well, you know, being the a-political creative that I am, I have scorn for anyone in politics, but after reading some of TRs quotes, I remember that most of the stuff I've heard about him I actually have liked! I don't know enough about him, though, to say whether or not he was a good president. It's hard to be black and white on this subject because so many variables are in the pot when the stew is being made... and not all of it is even known at the actual time -- even by the president.

The nature of the Times when any one president is in office puts a certain tint on that president, one way or the other, no? War, Economic Strife, Unrest, Scandal, etc., etc. So much of it has nothing to do with the presidency. At least in my humble opinion.

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Posted - December 19 2004 :  6:07:55 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote  Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
none compare to abe linclon..
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Posted - January 27 2005 :  01:21:22 AM  Show Profile  Visit Dark Woods's Homepage  Reply with Quote  Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
I chose Truman, because having unleashed the nuclear genii at Hiroshima and Nagasaki, his administration set up the mechanism of deterrence that has kept nuclear weapons from being used for more than 59 years. Eisenhower is a close second in my opinion, because he refined the deterrence mechanism sufficiently to deal with a Soviet Union with truly global nuclear capabilities. Kennedy is third because of his successful management of the Cuban Missile Crisis--he used the Truman/Eisenhower deterrence mechanisms very well. Reagan is fourth because his policies brought the Strategic (in contrast to the present Tactical) nuclear threat to an end (at least so far!).

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Posted - April 10 2005 :  3:37:13 PM  Show Profile  Send YoungNative an AOL message  Reply with Quote  Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
As much grief as i might get...i Choose FDR :-)


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Posted - April 13 2005 :  4:53:43 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote  Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
on truman and the great white fleet, there is a surving ship, the olympia, in philedelphia, some information and pictures is at http://spanamwar.com/olympiatourintro.htm

this past weekend, was at a school of the civil war sailor, and i spent the weekend onboard...


the olympia, with penn's landing in the background
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the officers quarters - unusual in that it is all chesnut, and was not thrown over the side as is standard practice before going into battle... dewey was confident in keeping a splintering fire hazard around


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the engine room, where the connecting rods mount to the prop shaft, the largest piston is 96 inches across... the engineer is rather passionate about these engines, he runs some of the smaller ones,like ash hoists off compressed air, he wants to try to use the reversing engine to turn one of the main engines

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most of the class here, on board... i'm back row, second from right.. this was quite an experiance....
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