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Theresa
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 Posted - May 15 2004 : 11:39:57 AM
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On Monday, PBS again hits the button on the time machine and sends a new group of 21st century people into a re-creation of a long-lost era.
This time, the goal is to build a town, which was the task facing English settlers arriving in the New World in 1628. "Colonial House", airing over four nights, tracks the five-month ordeal of American and British participants as they struggle to keep warm, feed themselves, and survive on an isolated stretch of the Maine coastline, living with the tools, technology, and traditions of the time.
Check your local listings for times. These are usually pretty good.
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lonewolf
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Posted - October 31 2004 : 10:33:55 PM
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I watched the series. It was fairly well done. I noticed that some of the re-enactors kept going to the water to bathe. Most whites of the colonial period never bathed and smelled worse than skunks.
As a Native American, I couldn't get it out of my mind that this colony represents the end of our culture, as these narrow minded religious nuts started a holocaust that eventually killed millions of us. Reality guys. I don't hate the board members. I can't change history.
The dealings with the indians did not reflect reality. There was a scene were indians would have suffered insult to the point that they would have tomahawked the people in the room with them for their insolence.
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alikws
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Posted - November 04 2004 : 1:54:53 PM
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the objective of such shows is not to show how things were, but how much things changed, which is why they concentrate on the gross and dirty stuff so much... they were a bit too well supplied, and had a whole summer to get ready for a winter they would neve have to face... plus the persons selected were carefuly chosen to be 'problem people' on purpose... differing religions, sexual oriantations, diet preferences &c would have kept most of those people from coming over here in the first place
the native side was a strange contrast, the passamaquaddy, whose land this seems to have been filmed on came in with weak kit, and a mindset of how would our ancestors reacted to this colony.. the wampanoag, who had nice 18c kit had modern attitudes, and reacted as how a person with future knowlage would have reacted... points made were valid, needed to be covered, but were out of place where they were made... an interesting sociological study...
they spent more time on coming 'back to the world' then earlier shows... been there and can relate... would have loved to be involved on the native side of that one... |
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Fitz Williams
Colonial Militia
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Posted - November 05 2004 : 09:31:25 AM
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| The thing to keep in mind when watching any of these "reality shows" is that there is a director, who is responsible to his sponsors, and is intent on making a show which will surpass his competition in the ratings. To this end, if there is not enough controversy, or drama, it will be scripted into the show. Nothing "just happens". They cannot take that kind of a risk. The story unfolds just as the director wants it to unfold. |
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alikws
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Posted - November 05 2004 : 1:09:18 PM
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this series of history reality shows was far better then most, as team followed by indevidual competition for the big prize was not a factor, unlike 'survivor' and shows of that ilk... the 'frontier house' hoped for more cooperation between families, but it never realy developed
the 'invaders' aspect was handled well, where a crow brought a mule deer from his rez, showed how to clean it, then went into crow history and starvation near the time of the shows target year... at reenactments we've gotten questions that were generated by these shows... they are making people think about history differently then before {what was living like,vs the 'hawley-smoot tarif'} |
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Christina
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Posted - November 05 2004 : 2:22:38 PM
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| Does anybody know if there are plans to rerun this series at all? I saw "Frontier House" and the Victorian house but would really love to check this one out. I hate reality TV in general (except for "Pimp My Ride" on MTV but that's just because I'd love somebody to pimp my very beat up Jeep) but these shows have generally been well done compared to the rest of their ilk. If you hear of any rerun of this series, please post it here! |
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blueotter
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Posted - November 05 2004 : 6:14:19 PM
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I am not an expert on this, but I don't buy the "myth" that 18th century people didn't bathe... I don't think that the pooror classes had bath tubs, or could well afford to heat a bathtub full of water in the first place, but I can't believe that bathing was altogether done without. Most people would start to itch and become sore if they didn't at least have a sponge bath every day or so. Am I wrong about this?
I also remember hearing that someone on a radio show in the 20th century made a comment about our ancestors not bathing and that it soon became "fact", just like "DUCT TAPE" is now becoming "DUCK TAPE"
There were bathtubs from the 18th century. That is a fact. They were owned by the wealthy, and there was a HUGE gap between the upper and the lower classes. But there were also BASINS that the lower classes could easily acquire, as well as soap that wasn't hard on the skin and linen that would dry them. I think that as far as documentation goes, there is more of it to substantiate cleanliness than filth.
I do believe that people probably smelled more "natural" than modern Americans do, what with all the deodorants and toiletries that are marketed these days to make us smell "better" than human nature.
Does anyone have any other information that would shed more light on this? I am open to it all!
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Fitz Williams
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Posted - November 05 2004 : 6:22:05 PM
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I don't buy the "myth" that 18th century people didn't bathe
You will find soap on most trade lists. They used a lot of it for something. |
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alikws
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Posted - November 08 2004 : 4:46:03 PM
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| soaking in a tub was rare, difficult and time consuming... washing at a basin with a cloth was what you saw... and its amazing how much stink wood smoke will cover up.... even soldiers on the march had regular orders for clean up, although they were difficult to comply with on campaign... think this gets filed with black clothing and buckles on hats at plimouth in 1621... |
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lonewolf
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Posted - January 20 2005 : 02:02:57 AM
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Hi Blue Otter,
Duct tape really started out in World War Two as "duck tape",a name given to it by the U.S. Navy. It was used to waterproof seams on metal containers that were exposed to salt water, but the name was later changed to "duct tape" for commercial use after the war, as it was used for sealing heating ducts. However, I notice recently that it is back to "duck" tape again. I guess that it is true about "what goes around, comes around".
Read some of the early history on colonial hygiene. I was as suprised as anyone else to find out that the majority of those of European heritage never bathed but once or twice a year. They even made reference to this fact on the Colonial House series. I can only imagine what the people of Jamestown must have smelled like. There was no toilet paper back then, they used corncobs to wipe their butts with! Perfume was used by the French (men and women) during colonial times to cover up body odor. Women never washed their hair at all during winter months. Head lice must have had a field day on these women. Of course, the men were no better. The only ones who didn't suffer much from lice were those of the upper class, who shaved their heads and wore powdered wigs. This was during the French and Indian War, as well. And the Revolution! You don't have to be this authentic at re-enactments- PLEASE! |
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