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 Posted - August 13 2008 : 12:12:35 PM
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Never saw John Wayne as Genghis Kahn.
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Don't waste your money or time on that dog!
Thanks Obes. No desire to see that one anyway. Just doesn't seem right..The Duke as Genghis Kahn |
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The Conquerer is considered one of the worst movies of the 1950's (and there were a lot of dogs from that decade), but is probably most famous for its cancer controversy. Here's what Wikipedia has to say about that:
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The exterior scenes were shot on location near St. George, Utah, and this location was 137 miles downwind of the United States Government's Nevada Test Site, Operation Upshot-Knothole, where extensive above-ground nuclear weapons testing occurred during the 1950s. The cast and crew spent many difficult weeks on the site. In addition, Hughes later shipped 60 tons of dirt back to Hollywood for re-shoots. The cast and crew knew about the nuclear tests, there are pictures of Wayne holding a Geiger counter during production, but the link between exposure to radioactive fallout and cancer was poorly understood then.
Powell died of cancer in January 1963, only a few years after the picture's completion. Hayward, Wayne, and Moorehead all died of cancer in the mid to late 1970s. Pedro Armendriz was diagnosed with kidney cancer in 1960 and committed suicide after he learned the cancer was terminal. Skeptics point to other factors such as tobacco useWayne and Moorehead were heavy smokersand the notion that cancer resulting from exposure to radiation does not have such a long incubation period. The cast and crew totaled 220. Of that number, 91 had developed some form of cancer by 1981 and 46 had died of cancer by then.
Dr. Robert Pendleton, professor of biology at the University of Utah, has described the incidence of cancer among cast and crew of The Conqueror as an "epidemic". Noting that 91 members of the cast and crew had contracted cancer by 1984, with more than half of them dying, Dr. Pendleton stated, "With these numbers, this case could qualify as an epidemic. The connection between fallout radiation and cancer in individual cases has been practically impossible to prove conclusively. But in a group this size you'd expect only 30 some cancers to develop...I think the tie-in to their exposure on the set of The Conqueror would hold up in a court of law."
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Posted - August 13 2008 : 7:19:59 PM
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| Geeze that is just awful. Imagine filming on that site and even bringing dirt back to Hollywood from there. The poor cast and crew didn't have a chance did they?. At least today we know better or at least I hope we do. |
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OK, I know this is kind of an older poll, but I had to share my favorites too! Besides LOTM we have other great similar movie tastes! I love Tombstone- from the poll, but I also love Magnificent 7, The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly, Paint your Wagon-it is so funny when the town just caves in! And I love Oklahoma. Also another that no one mentioned already is Rio Bravo w/ John Wayne, Dean Martin, and Ricky Nelson. I love this movie too-my favorite one of John Wayne's so far. Lastly, it's a TV show not a movie but, I'm watching Wanted:Dead or Alive season 1 starring Steve McQueen (who is one of my all time favorite actors!)  So far it is good-although the shows take on American Indians isn't like LOTM! Anybody ever see or hear of this show?
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Posted - January 09 2009 : 5:33:27 PM
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| Never heard of the show Kay but would like to say welcome to the board. |
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Posted - January 09 2009 : 5:58:19 PM
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Irish, you've never heard of Wanted Dead or Alive?? I remember watching it when I was a child, although I remember very little of the show except for that cutsey little sawed-off Winchester that he wore on his hip... |
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Posted - January 12 2009 : 5:15:18 PM
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| Bear in mind Obi that I grew up in Ireland. Not sure if they showed it there or not and if they did we did not watch it. |
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Posted - January 12 2009 : 9:52:26 PM
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They have TVs in Ireland? j/k
Personally, I always preferred another series, The Rebel, which starred Nick Adams, especially its themesong:
"Johnny Yuma was a Rebel ... he was panther quick and leather tough and he figured he'd been pushed enough ..."
I will disagree with Kay about Rio Bravo. What a dog! To me it's just about the worst Duke movie ever made, rivaling The War Wagon and The Comancheros. OTOH, The Searchers was not only John Wayne's best ever western, it was the best western ever made. Some of his earlier works such as She Wore a Yellow Ribbon and Stagecoach, are excellent too. Most of the Duke's later flicks stunk, IMO, with the major exception of his final movie, The Shootist...that rivaled some of his early films. I must admit though, that I am partial to one of those latter day dogs, Big Jake, maybe because it is somewhat of a spoof.
I will not apologize for my opinions, because, after all, "Sorry don't make it, Pilgrim!" |
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Posted - January 13 2009 : 3:48:08 PM
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Interesting...seems all of my favorites are John Wayne Westerns. Here they are in no particular order: RIO LOBO (costarring Jorge Rivero--what a cutie! Love the music too.); CHISUM (based loosely on real events in New Mexico territory while General Lew Wallace was Governor); EL DORADO; and finally THE SEARCHERS.
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Posted - January 16 2009 : 02:54:23 AM
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I've got a love/hate relationship with John Wayne's westerns. The stories are fun but most of them just don't "look right" from a historical perspective.
For instance, The Searchers has a great script but Monument Valley doesn't look like central Texas. And in the Duke's later films he was usually riding a modern western pleasure saddle, not a period correct A-fork. I could also go into spur and hat styles.
I think the Duke's best westerns were John Ford's cavalry trilogy: Fort Apache; Rio Grande; and She Wore a Yellow Ribbon. |
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Posted - January 16 2009 : 10:00:21 AM
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But...Monument Valley is "The West!"
Yep, John Ford's cavalry trilogy just may have be the Duke's best group of films.
Let's face it; there are many other westerns which are much more historically accurate, as far as clothing, weapons, etc, such as Tombstone, 3:10 to Yuma, Appaloosa... |
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Posted - January 16 2009 : 10:24:45 AM
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| Gotta love John Wayne. What a great actor but I always enjoyed "The Quiet Man" myself. Great in westerns but I loved his performance in this one. |
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Posted - May 23 2009 : 7:22:41 PM
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Interesting...seems all of my favorites are John Wayne Westerns. Here they are in no particular order: RIO LOBO (costarring Jorge Rivero--what a cutie! Love the music too.).....
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I just learned something interesting the other day: the music in Rio Bravo is a version of Deguello! Where's Billy Bob Thornton when ya really need him? |
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| Not sure if this one has been mentioned before or not but I just love "The Big Country" starring Charlton Heston and Gregory Peck. Watched it again last night and never tire of it. My vote still goes to Steve Leach..over Peck...that Pat was a silly girl alright. Anyone else love this movie like I do?? They show it quite a bit on Encore Westerns. |
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Posted - September 23 2009 : 12:54:41 AM
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No doubt the classics are great. We grew up on them and they will always have a special place in our hearts.
Some of the more recent westerns are great also. Especially some of Tom Selleck's work like Quigley Down Under, Last Stand at Sabre River and Crossfire Trail.
Does anyone here like the western-type movies set in a more modern era? I'm thinking of things like the recent No Country for Old Men, among others. Isn't that just as much a western as movies like Big Jake? |
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Posted - September 30 2009 : 10:29:28 PM
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| No Country For Old Men was just plain wierd, almost as wierd as Anton Chigur's hairdo! And speaking of wierd, let's not forget The Three Burials of Melquiades Estrada. Ol' Tommy Lee Jones picks some real winners. |
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Posted - September 30 2009 : 10:45:40 PM
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| No Country For Old Men was just plain wierd, almost as wierd as Anton Chigur's hairdo! And speaking of wierd, let's not forget The Three Burials of Melquiades Estrada. Ol' Tommy Lee Jones picks some real winners. |
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Posted - September 30 2009 : 10:47:47 PM
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