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Monadnock Guide
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 Posted - July 20 2009 : 09:52:56 AM
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An update from Oklahoma:
The state law passed today, 37 to 9, had a few liberals in the mix, an amendment to place the Ten Commandments on the front entrance to the state capitol. The feds in D.C., along with the ACLU, said it would be a mistake. Hey this is a conservative state, based on Christian values...! Guess what..........We did it anyway.
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We recently passed a law in the state to incarcerate all illegal immigrants, and ship them back to where they came from, unless they want to get a green card and become an American citizen. They all scattered. Hope we didn't send any of them to your state. This was against the advice of the Federal Government, and the ACLU, they said it would be a mistake.
Guess what...........we did it anyway.
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Yesterday we passed a law to include DNA samples from any and all illegals to the Oklahoma database, for criminal investigative purposes. Pelosi said it was unconstitutional.
Guess what........We did it anyway.
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Several weeks ago, we passed a law, declaring Oklahoma as a Sovereign state, not under the Federal Government directives. That, for your information, makes Oklahoma and Texas the only states to do so. Guess what.........More states are likely to follow. Louisiana, Alabama, Georgia, both Carolina's, Tennessee, Kentucky, Missouri, Arkansas, West Virginia, just to name a few. Should Mississippi act, so will Florida . Save your confederate money; it appears the South is about to rise up once again.
The federal Government has made bold steps to take away our guns.. Oklahoma , a week ago, passed a law confirming people in this state have the right to bear arms and transport them in their vehicles. I'm sure that was a set back for the Kennedys and Ms. Pelosi .
Guess what...........We did it anyway.
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By the way, Obama does not like any of this.
Guess what....who cares...we're doing it anyway.
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Now, we just need the rest of the states to stand up to the Socialists.
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winglo
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Posted - July 21 2009 : 11:05:23 PM
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Originally posted by Monadnock Guide
An update from Oklahoma:
The state law passed today, 37 to 9, had a few liberals in the mix, an amendment to place the Ten Commandments on the front entrance to the state capitol. Hey this is a conservative state, based on Christian values...!
Hmmmm. . .Wasn't this "state" originally the territory that was set aside for the Indian Tribes in the 19th Century? Wonder how the Cherokee feel about those Christian values? |
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SgtMunro
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Posted - July 23 2009 : 2:07:44 PM
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winglo asked: Hmmmm. . .Wasn't this "state" originally the territory that was set aside for the Indian Tribes in the 19th Century? Wonder how the Cherokee feel about those Christian values?
Considering that a good number of the Native Americans in 'Indian Country' (as Oklahoma was known by, during a good part of the 19th Century) were already Christians (as the period title 'The Five Civilized Tribes' implies), then I am sure that they wouldn't object to those values. However, the distrust of the Native Americans in modern-day Oklahoma could be better directed, since it was the actions of corrupt tribal leadership and the unethical (and perhaps illegal) work of the Dawes Commision which caused them to ultimately loose almost all of their lands in what later became Oklahoma
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winglo
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Posted - July 23 2009 : 4:59:06 PM
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| I agree, Sarge. My problem with this whole concept is that I am a devout Christian and I am really sick and tired of the extreme Christian right trying to say that this is a Christian country. It's not. It was designed as a country where you can believe (or not) in whatever religion you want and expect no interference from the government, as long as your religion doesn't infringe on my rights. Since when is forcing someone from another religion to look at MY 10 commandments every time they walk through the front entrance of a state capital a "christian" act? Christianity is spread through individual relationships that introduce others to Jesus Christ--not by forcing it down other's throats through legislation! |
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di-mc
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Posted - July 23 2009 : 11:29:48 PM
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| I believe I'm going to move to OK!!! The state of NC has been taken over by the libs, statists, and the rest of that ilk. |
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SgtMunro
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Posted - July 25 2009 : 10:23:04 AM
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winglo noted: My problem with this whole concept is that I am a devout Christian and I am really sick and tired of the extreme Christian right trying to say that this is a Christian country. It's not. It was designed as a country where you can believe (or not) in whatever religion you want and expect no interference from the government, as long as your religion doesn't infringe on my rights. Since when is forcing someone from another religion to look at MY 10 commandments every time they walk through the front entrance of a state capital a "christian" act? Christianity is spread through individual relationships that introduce others to Jesus Christ--not by forcing it down other's throats through legislation!
I can see your point winglo, but I look at it more as a case of 'whats good for the goose...' Even though our nation was founded on Judeo-Christian values (which is why that traditionally, public oaths have been sworn on the Bible), I look at these latest acts as a reaction to the 40+ years of the Left pushing of their own religion down our throats by both legislation and judicial fiat.
"What 'religion' is that?" you ask. Well, it is the religion of the superiority of the state over the individual, of the enviroment over man, of the Marxist over the unborn. It is a slimy, bastardized religion; where abortion is a 'sacrament', where carbon-dioxide is a 'sin', where the Producers and Stakeholders of our society are forcibly 'tithed' to support the Leeches and the Zero-Liability Voters. If you ask me, I'll take Christianity over that Marxist insanity any day of the week!
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di-mc said: I believe I'm going to move to OK!!! The state of NC has been taken over by the libs, statists, and the rest of that ilk.
I agree with your sentiment, Lady Di, but I am waiting for what MG said about dividing up the states into 'Red' and 'Blue' ones, before I do any such move. That way I only have to move once, to a nice crimson-red state, where my values and work ethic will be not only appreciated but rewarded as well. And if that 'Red' state happens to border a 'Blue' one, then I will gladly volunteer to stand guard on the border wall, with my own M-14 rifle in hand, and help to keep back the mindless hordes of Leeches, Zero-Liability Voters, Elitists and Statists...
...Remember what The Sarge always says, "7.62mm holes, make invisible souls." Hoo-yah!
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winglo
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Posted - July 25 2009 : 8:15:08 PM
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I can see your point winglo, but I look at it more as a case of 'whats good for the goose...'
A very common sentiment, I'm sure. But Christians who approach it from this thought are forgetting that Jesus said, "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you." He did not say, "Do unto others as they have done unto you." This is what makes Christianity different from other religions. As God sent his Son to die before others loved Him because of what he was about to do, so I am called to put forth the gracious act first and not simply be responsive in the way my gut tells me to. In some cases this act of kindness will lead to a reciprocal act back toward me. But even if "they" don't change and still hate me and my values, I am still to be gracious first, not simply as a response to others' graciousness.
As you can see, this works best within the context of individual relationships, not with legislating outward appearances of one's beliefs. I believe it is harmful to "Christianity" when those who want to fight back, which perhaps should be done in some cases, say they are fighting because they are Christians or fighting for Christianity or for a "Christian country." They are not. They are fighting because it is politically expedient to do so and one of the only ways to push for certain values. But it is secular, not Christian. |
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Posted - July 26 2009 : 11:19:37 AM
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winglo said: I believe it is harmful to "Christianity" when those who want to fight back, which perhaps should be done in some cases, say they are fighting because they are Christians or fighting for Christianity or for a "Christian country." They are not. They are fighting because it is politically expedient to do so and one of the only ways to push for certain values. But it is secular, not Christian.
Well winglo, that is your opinion, and I respect it as such. What I am saying is that we are currently given a choice of allowing the Left's 'religion' to destroy our own (and our society founded upon Christian principles/laws with it), or we can back the touting of our own faith. Remember that the whole 'Separation of Church and State' thing was not written into the Constitution, but was mearly a latter judicial interpretation of the 1st Amendment which states that 'Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;'. This can also be interpreted in a manner which would prohibit the creation of a law or decree ordering the removal of the Ten Commandments from a publicly-owned building; when said public who paid for the building are overwhelmingly in favor of such adornments.
Also, I noticed that you chose one of Christ's quotes to bolster your stance against the countering of the Lefts 'religion', to wit: "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you." Looking further in the New Testement, you will find that Matthew recorded the following: And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you; and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen." (Matthew 28:18-20)
...Just some food for thought.
As I said before, I would sooner side with those who are closer to my own beliefs, than those who seek to destroy them outright.
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