| T O P I C R E V I E W |
| Flammable |
Posted - February 20 2011 : 11:44:47 AM
Hey people.
You who know this movie well just look at all the little pieces of scenes you can see in this short clip that were filmed but are not in any of the versions we have seen: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VBMGRf6lEw&feature=related Especially that scene in the end! WHAT is that?! Definitely something unseen and very interesting!
And I believe there is a brief clip where the French and the Indians tracking the party in the first half of the film are closing in on them when they reach the lake. Maybe is related to the scene where Uncas supposedly gets injured but what was cut out from the movie?
And there is a canoe shot when they (I assume) reach the fort and many more brief clips! This is a very important piece of evidence that there might be more to the film after all! Adding fuel to the longing to see more of this film...
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| James N. |
Posted - March 02 2011 : 11:45:51 AM
Although my dial-up internet provider is far too S.L..O...W to allow me to watch these clips, let me again remind you that most scenes were simultaneously shot by up to as many as a half-dozen cameras which were often moved around during various takes, providing countless different "angles" for any given scene, especially the masters. Experiments were continually made with how things were carried, worn, lighing effects, etc. etc. It should be NO surprise that there exist as many variations as are discussed here; maybe only that they've somehow SURVIVED the past twenty years! |
| Wilderness Woman |
Posted - February 28 2011 : 12:27:53 PM
Doesn't Ching refer to himself in the final scene as the last of the Mohicans?
Yes, I definitely think this early teaser was done before the movie was completed and edited. |
| RedFraggle |
Posted - February 27 2011 : 4:37:22 PM
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Originally posted by Fitzhugh Williams
But if Hawkeye was adopted by Chng, wouldn't that make him a Mohican?
Meh. I'm splitting hairs.  Hawkeye is still not a Mohican by blood, which I think is what counts, as far as the characters are concerned. Ching always refers to Nathaniel as his "white son" (as opposed to just his "son"), and in the added footage at the end of the Director's Cut he makes a distinction between the world of "my white son and his woman" and the world of the Mohican people, like himself. Even Ching doesn't seem to think of Nathaniel as a Mohican, at least in the technical sense. Plus, any children that Nathaniel and Cora have will be 100% white, and not really able to continue the Mohican bloodline. I guess that's why I thought it was funny that Nathaniel is called "the last of the Mohicans" in the trailer.  (<-- nerdy me, thinking about these kinds of things)  |
| Fitzhugh Williams |
Posted - February 27 2011 : 2:56:13 PM
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Originally posted by RedFraggle
Also, the last line says something like, "The first American hero was the last of the Mohicans." But it isn't exactly Hawkeye who's the last of the Mohicans. 
But if Hawkeye was adopted by Chng, wouldn't that make him a Mohican? |
| Flammable |
Posted - February 27 2011 : 07:08:39 AM
Redfraggle: I was thinking the same about the voiceover. :D Like the person before said this was most likely done when they were still filming. I guess this was done in haste or smthng.
I'm pretty sure the unseen clips of the cannon fight are the explosion at 0:21, extremely short clip at 0:34 where the cannon is firing (not 100% sure about this), the indian jumping over the french soldiers digging at 0:51 (not 100% sure about this since we do see the french soldiers digging in the versions we have but I can't remember that indian jump over them so I think it is unseen), the extremely brief clip at 0:53, another cannon firing shot with men carrying something at 1:06. Might be more alternate angles etc.
Then there is that another mystery scene at 0:46 which shows a zoom of a large group of indians sneaking in the forest. We have a similar scene in the released versions for example where Uncas turns to look behind when they reach the lake by the fort and sees the french and the indians coming after them but I think that scene is different. This might just be an alternate angle, a close up, but unseen nevertheless. This also might be part of the scene where Magua and the hurons are surrounding the british who left the fort and are sneaking by them before they attack them in the meadow. However, I don't see this angle of the camera fit in the Magua with the hurons sneaking scene so this must be either linked to the scene after the funeral scene where they reach the lake and the war party tracking them is closing in on them or this might be a whole different shot of unknown relevance. |
| RedFraggle |
Posted - February 26 2011 : 11:33:03 PM
Shirtless Hawkeye attacking the camera with a tomahawk is definitely new and not in any of the versions so far released. You might be right about the extra canon scenes too, Flammable. (I'm really bad at noticing little things in movies, though, so I couldn't really say for sure what else is different in the clip.) Good eyes!
One thing: does the script of the voiceover seem kind of cheezy and not-quite-accurate to anyone else? It says of Hawkeye, "He was born an Englishman," immediately before a shot of Duncan and the women in Albany, as if Hawkeye is an "Englishman" of this sort . . . ummm? Also, the last line says something like, "The first American hero was the last of the Mohicans." But it isn't exactly Hawkeye who's the last of the Mohicans. |
| Flammable |
Posted - February 26 2011 : 6:48:05 PM
Really? I can count atleast 6 scenes/clips we havent seen plus I'm pretty sure there are 1 or maybe even 3 clips of the battle between the cannons that are not in any released versions.
That unseen clip at 0:04 where the two men are pointing at something and someone is standing on guard in the background looks really interesting. First I thought it must be from the fort but I'm not sure. It is definitely unseen footage! You really don't see it?
Ps. for some reason I cant edit my previous post so here is a working link to the official trailer(the link included stopped working): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMZtQhhS14w
I am certain in this official trailer there is only one unseen clip that is not in any released versions of the movie: the same one I descriped in my previous post, however I am sure there are multiple unseen clips in the teaser and a few of those are from unseen scenes and some of them are linked to scenes that can be identified: for example Cora and Hawkeye at the boat at 0:50 before they enter the fort is something that is not in any released versions but can be for sure placed in to a certain scene. |
| morgaine |
Posted - February 26 2011 : 5:01:49 PM
I didn't see anything new either. |
| richfed |
Posted - February 26 2011 : 12:41:38 PM
Call me dense ... but I still see nothing really new in there ... Maybe I've seen too much of this movie; it all looks the same. At any event, by this time, Michael Mannn has GOT to be done with this. Doesn't he?  |
| IWLFNDU |
Posted - February 22 2011 : 5:28:55 PM
Very intriguing indeed! That shot of Hawkeye running towards the camera looks like it may be around the "tracking the war party" scene...at least from what I can gather from the scenery. Hmmmm....
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| Wilderness Woman |
Posted - February 21 2011 : 1:29:13 PM
Very interesting early teaser, indeed! I agree that the last image of Hawkeye wielding his tomahawk is something I don't remember seeing in the movie, nor is the shot of Uncas coming out from behind the tree. My guess is that this trailer was put out before filming was even finished, or at the very least before editing was done. The fact that they had to use Orff's "Carmina Burana" for the background music instead of the actual music, as they did in the final trailer, convinces me of that.
As we know, much was left on the "cutting room floor" and probably lost forever. |
| Flammable |
Posted - February 20 2011 : 4:44:19 PM
Even the very first panorama scene is something we haven't seen. Maybe from the scene where Magua and his men are leading the girls and Heyward away? The script had more of that then what we have seen shown and there are those shots of the sunset in the newly edited versions. I'd guess it is connected to some other scene. I don't believe it is connected to the intro or the outro of the movie where panoarama shots are shown because it doesn't fit. Maybe it was just extra material Mann decided to add to the trailer. Anyway, it is a possibility it is connected to another scene or maybe could have been thought of as a transition scene between night and day, for example? it looks like dawn. And it is interesting to note it is a focused scenery shot in the sense that it is not abstract, wide, which could mean that the area in the shot has some relevance to the storie at that point.
That last bit is enough to justify the whole clip interest wise because I haven't found anything in the script that is available about it nor is there anything in the released versions which would somehow explain that clip. It is a mystery scene. Does anyoine know about it? I find it hard to believe they would film that clip just for the teaser. It could be a whole scene they filmed but which was cut out. Maybe a sub plot? The way they are dressed and it is day light and it looks so far away from what we see in the released versions that the possibilities for major differences in what this movie was concerning the content of the story at this stage of production are open up for speculation. Of course it is possible they just shot that for the cameras to be used with promotion which is logical in the sense that Hawkeye runs straight for the camera pretending to attack it and to me it could be interperated as dramatic effect for something that would not fit in with the movie. A loose/independent short clip just for the trailer, a dramatic effect. UPDATE: I just noticed there is more of this unseen running scene in the final official trailer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLHxV0wDrfg&feature=related AND Hawkeye has his tomahawk and his rifle in the teaser but just his rifle on the trailer. What this tells for sure is there were multiple takes if this is supposed to be the same scene :D The same scene as in clip just meant for promotion. I fint this all very interesting.
And what is that scene in about 00:09 where Uncas comes out from behind the trees? I don't remember seeing it. Maybe has something to do with the scene where they arrive at the lake by the fort and where in the script there is written a scene we haven't seen.
In revealing the mystery of what was filmed and what this movie could have been I find this to be the most exciting little bit of clues I've come across in a long time. |
| richfed |
Posted - February 20 2011 : 3:01:06 PM
I really don't see much in there, Flammable. Maybe slightly different angles or brighter lighting ... |
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