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| Kirachi |
Posted - February 19 2008 : 05:33:43 AM
Cora got a change of clothing at the fort (inaccurate as her top half may be) as did Alice but while Cora's looks a little rushed together as you'd expect, Alice's is of quite good quailty, nice fabric etc
So, where on earth did she get this ladies dress from? I highly doubt their were many ladies at the fort while a battle raged...the only conclusion I came up with is that a crossdresser lurks within the fort!  
I jest of course but ideas people! lol |
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| RedFraggle |
Posted - February 22 2008 : 07:56:40 AM
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Originally posted by winglo
Oh, look, I've got 4 stars now!
Yay, 4 stars!  Movin' up in the world. |
| Kirachi |
Posted - February 22 2008 : 04:58:49 AM
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Originally posted by Wilderness Woman
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Originally posted by winglo
I always understood that some of the women lived in the fort, or wherever their husbands were assigned, and basically just followed them around from front to front, battle to battle and site to site.
Hence the moniker "camp follower!"
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... I'm sure there would have been plenty of clothes from them, if needed.
Not necessarily. The women who followed their menfolk in the military had to carry everything they brought with them. That dictated that they travel extremely lightly. The possible exceptions would have been officers' wives. They could have traveled with more clothing, possibly a trunk or two that would be allowed to be placed on a "baggage" wagon.
My take on Alice's borrowed "gown" (for that is what it is called, rather than a "dress"), is that it probably did belong to Mrs. Phelps. You will notice that it is a bit large on her, and just kind of hangs in the front, when it would normally fit very closely to her torso. This would explain why.
Cora most likely opted for something very practical, since she was going to help in the surgery, and that is why she is working in her petticoat, shift and stays. Normally, she would not be seen without a jacket or gown over her stays, as has been discussed before.
Alice may not have had many options, if Mrs. Phelps' wardrobe was fairly limited. She may have had to take one of Mrs. Phelps' better gowns.
Thanks WW, that makes a lot of sense!
I never really noticed how big it looked on her until you said, I always thought she'd not put it on porperly. |
| Wilderness Woman |
Posted - February 21 2008 : 5:59:41 PM
quote:
Originally posted by winglo
I always understood that some of the women lived in the fort, or wherever their husbands were assigned, and basically just followed them around from front to front, battle to battle and site to site.
Hence the moniker "camp follower!"
quote:
... I'm sure there would have been plenty of clothes from them, if needed.
Not necessarily. The women who followed their menfolk in the military had to carry everything they brought with them. That dictated that they travel extremely lightly. The possible exceptions would have been officers' wives. They could have traveled with more clothing, possibly a trunk or two that would be allowed to be placed on a "baggage" wagon.
My take on Alice's borrowed "gown" (for that is what it is called, rather than a "dress"), is that it probably did belong to Mrs. Phelps. You will notice that it is a bit large on her, and just kind of hangs in the front, when it would normally fit very closely to her torso. This would explain why.
Cora most likely opted for something very practical, since she was going to help in the surgery, and that is why she is working in her petticoat, shift and stays. Normally, she would not be seen without a jacket or gown over her stays, as has been discussed before.
Alice may not have had many options, if Mrs. Phelps' wardrobe was fairly limited. She may have had to take one of Mrs. Phelps' better gowns. |
| Irishgirl |
Posted - February 21 2008 : 5:46:52 PM
Then there is always Duncan in a dress Sounds more like "LOTM the Musical". Doesn't Uncas wear a red feather in his hair?. Then he would have a red dress and Magua a black one and Duncan probably a blue one |
| blackfootblood |
Posted - February 21 2008 : 2:59:30 PM
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Originally posted by Obediah
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Originally posted by Kirachi
LOL oh no my eyes! the movie is ruined for me I shall be forever imagining them all in frilly dresses!!!!!!
... complete with limp wrists and talking with lisps!
LOL, obi!!! I'm just picturing this, it's horrible!!  But funny at the same time! |
| Obediah |
Posted - February 21 2008 : 11:25:36 AM
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Originally posted by Kirachi
LOL oh no my eyes! the movie is ruined for me I shall be forever imagining them all in frilly dresses!!!!!!
... complete with limp wrists and talking with lisps! |
| Kirachi |
Posted - February 20 2008 : 12:39:08 PM
LOL oh no my eyes! the movie is ruined for me I shall be forever imagining them all in frilly dresses!!!!!! |
| Irishgirl |
Posted - February 20 2008 : 09:56:11 AM
Magua wanted the dress for himself Don't you know that's what they were fighting over, not Alice |
| Obediah |
Posted - February 20 2008 : 09:50:59 AM
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Originally posted by Fitzhugh Williams
I think the answer is obvious. The dress belonged to Uncas. That would explain his mad rush up the cliffs to catch the Hurons are recover it before it could be burned in a fire. He couldn't bear it's loss! It also explains his seeming inability to have more than a casual relationship with Alice. I think it was her clothes, rather than her, that attracted him.
FITZ! YOU DA MAN!
If Ching's brat had the sense God gave a goose, he would have spoken to Magua as soon as he caught up, saying "C'mon dude, I'm just here for the dress; you can have the bimbo!" |
| Kirachi |
Posted - February 20 2008 : 05:07:47 AM
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Originally posted by winglo
quote:
Originally posted by Fitzhugh Williams
I think the answer is obvious. The dress belonged to Uncas.
I think you just want to insult Uncas because he's so good looking.
Re. Alice's change of clothes. Red is right, Mr. Phelps does say something about getting Alice and Cora a change of clothes. I always understood that some of the women lived in the fort, or wherever their husbands were assigned, and basically just followed them around from front to front, battle to battle and site to site. They didn't really have homes, so I'm sure there would have been plenty of clothes from them, if needed.
It's also possible, although less likely, that Col. Monro got some of his men to carry some of Alice's and Cora's clothing, knowing and hoping they were going to visit him at some point. Then the clothes would have already been at the fort. Or perhaps he bought them dresses, etc. when he was last at a town, as gifts for when they came to visit.
That's a good point Winglo. I suppose what I was mainly getting at is Alice's dress seems a lot better quailty than Cora's, the pattern etc isn't from a poorer lady by the looks of it.
Maybe Alice always gets the best stuff.
Uncas in a dress? ok now that image is going to pop into my head everytime I watch him run after Alice! it's just wrong!!! lol |
| winglo |
Posted - February 19 2008 : 3:54:56 PM
Oh, look, I've got 4 stars now! |
| winglo |
Posted - February 19 2008 : 3:52:04 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Fitzhugh Williams
I think the answer is obvious. The dress belonged to Uncas.
I think you just want to insult Uncas because he's so good looking.
Re. Alice's change of clothes. Red is right, Mr. Phelps does say something about getting Alice and Cora a change of clothes. I always understood that some of the women lived in the fort, or wherever their husbands were assigned, and basically just followed them around from front to front, battle to battle and site to site. They didn't really have homes, so I'm sure there would have been plenty of clothes from them, if needed.
It's also possible, although less likely, that Col. Monro got some of his men to carry some of Alice's and Cora's clothing, knowing and hoping they were going to visit him at some point. Then the clothes would have already been at the fort. Or perhaps he bought them dresses, etc. when he was last at a town, as gifts for when they came to visit. |
| Irishgirl |
Posted - February 19 2008 : 1:26:11 PM
LOL Fitz a cross-dressing Uncas now there's a thought. You could be onto something my friend |
| Fitzhugh Williams |
Posted - February 19 2008 : 11:17:35 AM
I think the answer is obvious. The dress belonged to Uncas. That would explain his mad rush up the cliffs to catch the Hurons are recover it before it could be burned in a fire. He couldn't bear it's loss! It also explains his seeming inability to have more than a casual relationship with Alice. I think it was her clothes, rather than her, that attracted him. |
| RedFraggle |
Posted - February 19 2008 : 09:14:09 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Kirachi
. . . a crossdresser lurks within the fort!
Maybe Col. Munro had a secret. . . .
Okay, maybe not. I think the surgeon, Mr. Phelps, says something about a Mrs. Phelps after Cora and Alice get to the fort. There are also other women in the background when Hawkeye takes Cora to the battlements to . . . um . . . enjoy the view.
I can't tell for sure from the pictures on hotflick, but it looks like Alice is only wearing a bodice over a plain white petticoat and her shift, still pretty undressed considering what "proper" attire would have been (like the tres-fashionable dress she was wearing in Albany). I'm guessing it would only have taken a couple of other women to come up with the makeshift items that Cora and Alice are given.
So, pick a few of your favorite, nameless, for-set-dressing-only, background characters and say they donated their clothes to Cora and Alice. Or, maybe that idea about Col. Munro was right after all. . . .  |
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