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| RedFraggle |
Posted - August 28 2007 : 2:07:31 PM
There is probably a thread about this somewhere in the bazillion pages of archives, but why not start afresh and get some new answers? 
My question is: which scenes in LOTM would you add, change, or delete, and how and why would you change them?
Feel free to comment on the added/deleted scenes of the Director's Cut, or make up entirely new material that you feel would enhance the plot or development of the movie as it stands. I.e., stick to the characters and the general storyline without, for example, writing yourself in  or adding in some total non sequitur like "Uncas was saved from death at the bottom of the cliff when friendly aliens abducted him on the way down."  Or whatever.
But otherwise be as creative as you want! Now, what would you change, how, and why? |
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| di-mc |
Posted - March 31 2009 : 9:13:15 PM
Thanks James! Your time-line sounds more reasonable. One thing that I don't like about the movie(I can't believe I said that), is that the actual time things would have taken to occur is compressed. When Hawkeye is discussing with the militia about leaving the fort, everyone seems to know about Cora, although it seems that they just got there. Not enough time would have passed for them to know her. |
| winglo |
Posted - March 30 2009 : 7:13:20 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Obediah
Ah yes, his name always makes me think of a price war between airlines, you know, "Cutthroat Flights"...
Ha Ha, Obi! However, in the DVD version they don't show him getting his throat cut. We just see blood splashing onto his neck, I believe.
Oh, and I agree with you, Diana. I could do without the Cora/Hawkeye kiss, too. |
| Obediah |
Posted - March 30 2009 : 12:16:04 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Light of the Moon
.....Then maybe Uncas would have lived .
Ah yes, his name always makes me think of a price war between airlines, you know, "Cutthroat Flights"... |
| Light of the Moon |
Posted - March 30 2009 : 09:43:52 AM
I like how you think James! Would have loved to seen Hawkeye kick some Magua Party butt and save the D.I.D.'s. Then maybe Uncas would have lived. |
| James N. |
Posted - March 21 2009 : 10:13:09 AM
That's why I suggested in the thread on the "time line" that there HAD to be a longer period of time between their exit in the Cave scene and everyone's apparantly simultaneous arrival at the Huron Village. If that wasn't the case Hawkeye's party would've overtaken Magua's slower-moving raiding party, burdened with their captives, well before then. |
| Fitzhugh Williams |
Posted - March 20 2009 : 11:36:01 PM
quote:
Originally posted by di-mc
Can wet powder dry out and be good to use?
No.
I have often wondered where they got the fresh powder. Maybe took it off some dead back at Massacre Valley? Fort WH after the French left? |
| di-mc |
Posted - March 20 2009 : 9:56:18 PM
Going to resurrect this forum. I want the last scene to be changed. I hate it that the dialogue between Cora and Hawkeye was taken out. All we see are a couple nods of their heads, a kiss, that's it. I want to hear the proposal!!!!
Question for those of you who know such things - after the 3 have found their powder was wet, they jumped into the river, then after finding the women and Duncan at the Huron village, they have fire power. Where did the fresh powder come from? Can wet powder dry out and be good to use? |
| Diana |
Posted - November 28 2008 : 3:00:55 PM
Sorry Rich, I just can't go there on that scene. Perhaps it is because there is SO MUCH PDA on the air waves these days. Yechhh! Much more interesting when it is left to the imagination such as what some of the Mohicanlanders do here concerning Unas and Alice.
By the way, on the matter of Alexandra being carried off as a slave--remember it was Ottawa and the Frenchmen that attacked the Cameron cabin. It was a pure murder raid.
Which reminds me, if anyone has ever seen THE SEARCHERS, the same thing happened to the Edwards family. The Comanches (led by 'Scar') killed the men, raped and murdered Martha; took Lucy and eventually killed her; and kept Debbie as a slave because she was too young. I think Scar was just BENT on revenge.
Gee..this is grim.
Diana |
| Longrifle |
Posted - November 28 2008 : 09:19:45 AM
"Could it be done? Yes. What is the probability it could be done and hit two targets at the same time? Slim to none." - Fitzhugh Williams
Point taken; understood. I think one might also ask, "What is the probability that an experienced rifleman would attempt it, especially on the run?" I think the answer is also "Slim to none." That's why I'd change the scene.
And thanks for the attention to detail correction about rifles and muskets. I don't know why I typed it that way, since I know the difference. I shouldn't be having senior moments at 42!  |
| Fitzhugh Williams |
Posted - November 28 2008 : 08:29:59 AM
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Originally posted by Longrifle
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2) The scene on the high trail where Nathaniel picks up an extra rifle and shoots two rifles from the hip while running.....and makes two hits! And to beat all, that scene happened right after the very historically accurate scene where Nathaniel is shown reloading his rifle on the run. Frontiersmen did practice reloading while running. They did not hip shoot two long rifles while running.
The only rifle in the movie was the one that Hawkeye carried. The rest were smoothbores. The trade guns the Indians carried were very light, and it is possible to shoot one as he did if you have strong hands and arms. I don't, and I can hold a trade gun in one hand and shoot it. Could it be done? Yes. What is the probability it could be done and hit two targets at the same time? Slim to none. |
| Longrifle |
Posted - November 28 2008 : 12:12:53 AM
I'd change two scenes because they are historically inaccurate:
1) The opening elk hunting scene. I elk hunt and I've killed several elk and I promise you that it isn't done by running them down. Now bear hunting with hounds, that's different. That would be a situation where you actually might do some running to try and get in front of the chase to be in position for a shot. But I can't fathom a situation where you would elk hunt that way.
2) The scene on the high trail where Nathaniel picks up an extra rifle and shoots two rifles from the hip while running.....and makes two hits! And to beat all, that scene happened right after the very historically accurate scene where Nathaniel is shown reloading his rifle on the run. Frontiersmen did practice reloading while running. They did not hip shoot two long rifles while running. |
| richfed |
Posted - November 27 2008 : 08:42:00 AM
Really!!????
The Kiss scene is one of the very best on-screen romantic interludes I have ever seen. I am surprised! |
| Diana |
Posted - November 26 2008 : 5:37:48 PM
Greetings:
Forgive me if I commit a heresey but I could do WITHOUT 'the kiss' scene. Pleazzz. I do grow weary of all the PDA on the big screen. Yuchhhh.
I could do without the heart extraction too. But...I dream.
Diana |
| Irena |
Posted - November 26 2008 : 03:56:21 AM
Thank you for warm words. I like this film very much, i am glad to join the board. I have a great pleasure, when i read your posts. |
| blackfootblood |
Posted - November 21 2008 : 1:10:25 PM
Trying not to get off topic, but welcome Irena!! Happy posting!!  |
| nipponophile |
Posted - November 21 2008 : 10:19:40 AM
Dark Woods, I LIKE your suggested changes!
Irina, welcome to the board! I understand your English just fine, and agree with your feelings - I too think there could have been a bit more of a focus on (and some more dialogue between) Uncas and Alice. Some actual kissing, for example, would've been great! |
| Irena |
Posted - November 21 2008 : 04:26:16 AM
Hi!I like this film very much,but I would like it more,if there is some changes.When Uncas jumps in the falls,why doesn't he say goodbye to Alise?At first they are (kissing?) and hugging,then he rans away.Maybe Chingachgook did not teach him to take care of girls? They gave too much attention to Cora and Hawcay,but in case with Alise and Uncas there is not a single word,not a look.And where was Alise at that time? ------------Excuse me for bad English. |
| Dark Woods |
Posted - November 21 2008 : 12:47:19 AM
Continuing my storyline, Magua, Alice, and Alexandra depart the Huron camp, with Uncas in hot pursuit.
In my version, instead of fighting when Uncas catches up; Uncas, Magua, Alice, and Alexandra hold a parley. They agree that Alice will go with Uncas, and Alexandra will go with Magua. Thus Uncas gets his girl, Magua gets a real women for his wife, and they all live happily ever after. |
| Dark Woods |
Posted - November 19 2008 : 8:12:44 PM
Good observations nipponofile regarding backstory information.
I continue my Alexandra Cameron storyline...
Alexanda is in the Huron camp when Cora and Alice are led in. When Alice is directed by the Great Sachem to become Magua's wife, the Great Sachem's wife gives Alexandra as a gift to the new couple. |
| nipponophile |
Posted - November 19 2008 : 09:19:42 AM
Hi Dark Woods, and thank you very much for your words of welcome. I'm looking forward to getting to know the board, the site and all you posters better!
As for the topic, I would also like to see a little more back story to Chingy, Uncas and Hawkeye as a family. Don't quite how one would do that without blowing out the screen time to sequel or even trilogy length, however, particularly once all the other deleted scenes were added back in..... |
| Dark Woods |
Posted - November 18 2008 : 12:47:39 AM
Welcome nipponophile, and thanks for your response, winglo!
I would continue the Alexandra Cameron storyline by having the wife of the Great Sachem casually discuss with Alexandra (a slave, yet a well-treated slave) how Magua's wife and children had been killed. Alexandra might begin to see a parallel with the death of her family. |
| nipponophile |
Posted - November 17 2008 : 12:33:11 PM
Thanks, RedFraggle! I feel very welcome though I've only been here a week! As for what scenes I'd change, (and this I'm sure is no surprise to ANY of you), I'd like to add in a bit more vis-a-vis Uncas-Alice - more scenes, more interaction/dialogue in said scenes, so as to establish a firmer base for the course of action they take later in the movie. |
| winglo |
Posted - November 16 2008 : 7:45:22 PM
Hmmmm, darkwoods, very interesting. Yes, Alexandra certainly would have been tough, I'm sure, and definitely better able to handle things than Alice was. Although we already have a character who shows us that--Cora. In fact, I think I would like to change how hopelessly overwhelmed Alice was by everything. I really dislike the Alice character as she is in the movie. Although I can see that it may have been necessary to the climax where she jumps. |
| Dark Woods |
Posted - November 13 2008 : 11:43:06 PM
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Originally posted by blackfootblood
Oh, I think there will be some good discussion with some of the ideas our board members will come up with!! 
Anyhow, I will have to agree with Winglo on her situation change. Uncas defiantly should of help Alice instead of Chingy. 
But the one thing I would have changed in the movie would have to be the Cameron's cabin burning. We could have did without that. Who knows, maybe that family would have played an important role in the movie later on if things were changed.
I would not have let Alexandra Cameron get killed. I would have her taken captive by the band of Hurons. Even though they were moving fast, she was tough enough to keep up (Contrast Alice....) Eventually, I would have Alexandra traded to the Great Sachem, who gives Alexandra to his wife as a slave. to be continued. Perhaps an important role awaits... |
| RedFraggle |
Posted - November 13 2008 : 08:09:57 AM
This is slightly off topic, I guess, but welcome to the board, Nipponophile! Happy posting.  |
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