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| susank2 |
Posted - August 28 2007 : 09:13:30 AM
Does anyone know what the translation is when Chingachghook and Hawkeye are talking to each other on the George Road following the killings...when they talk about taking them to the fort? Also what are they saying to each other in the cave just before they all jumped into the waterfall?
Just an observation.....why do Chingachghook, Hawkeye and Uncas speak english to each other at the Cameron's cabin after Uncas comes out of the burned out cabin? Wouldn't it have been more natural for them to speak mohican to each other?
Thanks for answers!
Susan |
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| Light of the Moon |
Posted - August 30 2007 : 9:52:17 PM
The mere thought just tingles me! |
| Obediah |
Posted - August 30 2007 : 9:47:54 PM
Probably that big blue "switch" he lugs around... |
| Light of the Moon |
Posted - August 30 2007 : 2:49:32 PM
WOO-HOO !
Sign me up for a switching and make it a good one!!!! |
| Obediah |
Posted - August 29 2007 : 4:27:28 PM
Ching probably wanted to use a switch ON Light!  |
| Light of the Moon |
Posted - August 29 2007 : 09:12:03 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Hawkeye_Joe
I have always believed that Hawkeye had been in the King's Militia before with bad results. His little speech at the Cameron's with the envoy of the Crown, his reply to Duncan, his feelings about getting the settlers back to their homes and out of the militia shows that he may have been badly treated and had seen things that did not make him believe in what the English were telling them.
General Daniel Morgan had been a teamster during the F&I war under Gen. Braddock before the debacle at Ft. Duquesne. He had been tied to a wagon wheel and flogged for striking a British Officer. He forever more hated the British military and when the Revolution started he paid them back for every stroke of the cat. Many others were on that campaign as well, Dan'l Boone, Simon Kenton, Geo. Washington. Harsh treatment was handed out liberally by the English for many trival offenses.....Nathanel Poe could possibly have been on the receiving end of some of that and that would have formed his sour opinion of joining the militia.
That's an interesting thought, HJ. Or it may have been a bad aftertaste of the Mohicans first run in with the english. Either way...same line of thinkiing.
And WW, Ching was saying, "Where's a switch and Light when you need her?" |
| Monadnock Guide |
Posted - August 28 2007 : 8:57:49 PM
Not likely WW, - most likely he was hoping still had some Viagra left. ;) |
| Hawkeye_Joe |
Posted - August 28 2007 : 8:31:57 PM
I have always believed that Hawkeye had been in the King's Militia before with bad results. His little speech at the Cameron's with the envoy of the Crown, his reply to Duncan, his feelings about getting the settlers back to their homes and out of the militia shows that he may have been badly treated and had seen things that did not make him believe in what the English were telling them.
General Daniel Morgan had been a teamster during the F&I war under Gen. Braddock before the debacle at Ft. Duquesne. He had been tied to a wagon wheel and flogged for striking a British Officer. He forever more hated the British military and when the Revolution started he paid them back for every stroke of the cat. Many others were on that campaign as well, Dan'l Boone, Simon Kenton, Geo. Washington. Harsh treatment was handed out liberally by the English for many trival offenses.....Nathanel Poe could possibly have been on the receiving end of some of that and that would have formed his sour opinion of joining the militia. |
| Wilderness Woman |
Posted - August 28 2007 : 8:20:56 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Irishgirl
What about Chingy?
Ching said, "You boys! Don't you ever think of anything else?"
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| blackfootblood |
Posted - August 28 2007 : 5:58:02 PM
HA, good one, Fitz!!  Oh by the way, welcome to the board Susank2!! Happy Posting!!  |
| Irishgirl |
Posted - August 28 2007 : 4:43:08 PM
LOL Fitz...good one. What about Chingy? |
| Fitzhugh Williams |
Posted - August 28 2007 : 4:40:41 PM
I ran the George Road dialog through the Bable Fish translator, and what Nathaniel said was "The dark haired one ain't half bad. Uncas, you can have the blond. Let's take them to the fort and see if they have any rum." |
| Irishgirl |
Posted - August 28 2007 : 4:35:10 PM
Just realized I have not officially welcomed you to the board yet susank2 so WELCOME. Happy posting. |
| susank2 |
Posted - August 28 2007 : 4:24:30 PM
Thank you so much for the informative answers! That was great. And also, thanks for the welcome...it is most appreciated |
| winglo |
Posted - August 28 2007 : 2:16:02 PM
I have no insight into the conversation on the George Road.
But, I've always assumed that Hawkeye, Uncas and Chingachgook were speaking Mohican at the Cameron's cabin, but that it was translated for movie purposes because it's important for us to understand what they are saying--how they conclude it is a war party. This is done elsewhere--General Montcalm and Magua spoke French to each other, I'm sure, but it was translated into English for movie purposes so that we can understand the depth of Magua's bitterness and the subtlety of Moncalm's near-request for the Hurons to do something so that he doesn't have to fight the same English again. |
| RedFraggle |
Posted - August 28 2007 : 1:38:47 PM
Good question. The script isn't much help on this one. All it says is:
CHINGACHGOOK to Hawkeye: Let's go.
[Then a fast exchange of Delaware. Cora's surprised to see it's Chingachgook's decision. Chingachgook looks at the survivors, gives his assent, starts off.]
HAWKEYE: Take you as far as the fort.
Probably even Michael Mann didn't know what he wanted them to say, other than a general "exchange" about whether to help the Munros and Duncan get to the fort. So I'd guess you'd either have to (a.) speak Delaware or (b.) know one of the people who wrote the lines to understand exactly what went on. Since I can't claim familiarity with either of those things, here's something from Cooper's book. I'm guessing the conversation was along similar lines in the movie. 
Duncan watches Hawkeye, Uncas, and Ching draw apart from the rest of the group and begin talking in Delaware:
"Heyward, who now approached, could easily distinguish the earnest tones of the younger warrior from the more deliberate speeches of his seniors. It was evident that they debated on the propriety of some measure that nearly concerned the welfare of the travellers. . . . [Hawkeye], motioning with his hand, as if he conceded the disputed point, turned away, saying in a sort of soliloquy, and in the English tongue---'Uncas is right! It would not be the act of men to leave such harmless things [i.e., the Munro girls] to their fate, though it breaks up the harboring place forever. If you would save these tender blossoms from the fangs of the worst of sarpents [i.e., Magua], you have neither time to lose nor resolution to throw away! . . . These Mohicans and I will do what man's thoughts can invent, to keep such flowers, which, though so sweet, were never made for the wilderness, from harm.'"
My guess is that, in the movie, Ching and Hawkeye are debating on the "propriety" of helping Duncan and the Munro girls, as they do in the book. If the Hawkeye of the movie is meant to be anything like the one in Cooper's novel (which might be a stretch!), he doesn't actually want to help them. But "it's Chingachgook's decision," as the script says, and Hawkeye concedes to help them get as far as the fort.
Random thought: If Michael Mann's Hawkeye doesn't want to help Duncan and the Munro girls, I guess that could somewhat account for his testy attitude during the Riverwalk scene. I always thought his response about not being in any "d*mn militia" was a little catty.
As for at the Cabin...
Sure, it would make more sense for Hawkeye, Ching, and Uncas to speak in a native language, but I don't think the scene would have as much of an impact on us viewers if we had to read what they were saying. We can hear that Uncas is upset and confused when he says, "mirrors, tools, clothes..." in English. I don't think the effect would be the same if he said it in Delaware; viewers wouldn't be able to grasp the emotional pitch or the significance of the scene as readily if they had to read it in subtitles.
And welcome to Mohicanland, Susan! |
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