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| angel4uncas |
Posted - January 03 2006 : 01:08:55 AM
I'm new to the board and tried to see if this has already been a topic. I didn't find it but I apologize if this has already been discussed.
I was wondering what the significance, if any, is of the braid Alice sports after the waterfall scene. Being a huge fan of the Alice/Uncas relationship, I personally like to believe it pertains to the kiss they shared in the waterfall that was filmed but not added to the movie. (I think it should have been!!!) In fact the first time the braid appears is when Alice is being tied up by one of the Huron Indians in the waterfall cave which occurs almost right after that deleted scene. Anyway I like to think the missing footage explains it. Of course I could be completely wrong and would love to hear other interpretations. |
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| LeyLana1462 |
Posted - April 03 2006 : 10:46:20 PM
After just sitting here watching this WONDERFUL film yet again, almost frame by frame, gee that's hard, esp when Eric is in the scene,.....ahhhhhh sigh heavily,.........lol.....
The braid appears after the waterfall. Uncas has one on the right as well which is not seen through the beginning of the film. His back braid falls forward a lot but i don't see a side one?!?!?!
Pitty Eric has short hair now, how many of us would just love to sit and braid it for him, even now!?!?!?!? tee hee hee |
| paazau |
Posted - April 01 2006 : 9:12:57 PM
Just the natural evolution of LOTM message threads Mt Man. All threads lead to Uncas... and the gutter.  |
| Mountain Man |
Posted - April 01 2006 : 7:25:14 PM
quote:
Originally posted by paazau
Yea! Finally! 
We've succeeded in corrupting you Mt Man, and you're now ready to join us in the gutter to discuss the finer aspects of this wonderful movie!! 
How did it all come to this.  |
| paazau |
Posted - April 01 2006 : 6:04:01 PM
Yea! Finally!
We've succeeded in corrupting you Mt Man, and you're now ready to join us in the gutter to discuss the finer aspects of this wonderful movie!!
Come on down, we'll clear a spot so you can sit down and get comfy. |
| Mountain Man |
Posted - April 01 2006 : 07:03:43 AM
quote:
Originally posted by paazau
And for Mt Man, a Magua-specific re-watch theme of 'how many different ways does he kill his enemies". Any other ideas??? 
Although I don’t really get into this specific re-watch thing, if I was inclined to do one, it might be for Cora cleavage shots.   Hey! paazau, you asked! That’s one up for the guys.  |
| paazau |
Posted - March 31 2006 : 8:12:04 PM
quote:
Originally posted by MeggieD
Has everyone noticed Uncas' braid that falls over his right shoulder at the Cameron's when he is over Alexandra's body. I think that's the only time I've seen it....
Ya better watch it again MeggieD. In my last re-watch I saw his braid at least 3 other times.  In the 'tracking the war party' scene, in the forest before they arrive at the fort (when he looks back over his shoulder the first time), and in the massacre scene.
Sounds like an "Uncas' braid" specific re-watch is in order. And then a new thread "Uncas and his braid".
And then, a Hawkeye specific re-watch: how many times does his hair style change? 
And for Mt Man, a Magua-specific re-watch theme of 'how many different ways does he kill his enemies". Any other ideas??? |
| paazau |
Posted - March 30 2006 : 06:33:30 AM
quote:
Originally posted by paazau (me!)
One particular instance is when Cora overhears Hawkeye and the militia discussing with Munro and Duncan about the milita leaving. Cora's hair is up, with the front coming out, but in the next scene (the rejection) in Cora's/Alice's room her hair is neatly done in a braid over her right shoulder. <snip>
Sorry I had to wait until I got home to get the screen captures I was thinking of.
During the militia debate scene -
And in the Rejection scene -
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| Mountain Man |
Posted - March 29 2006 : 9:43:59 PM
quote:
Originally posted by paazau
(and some of us here have vivid imaginations!)
Tell me about it!!!  |
| paazau |
Posted - March 29 2006 : 9:15:47 PM
Hi raindrops,
Great to have you join in again!!
You're right, there isn't specifically any mention of the braid in the script. It's just our imagination coming into play speculating that uncas braided her hair. (and some of us here have vivid imaginations!)
I have noticed elsewhere in the movie that a noticeable change of hair is seemingly used to indicate a passage of time where we have not seen what the characters have been doing during this time. One particular instance is when Cora overhears Hawkeye and the militia discussing with Munro and Duncan about the milita leaving. Cora's hair is up, with the front coming out, but in the next scene (the rejection) in Cora's/Alice's room her hair is neatly done in a braid over her right shoulder. She has obviously had time to re-do her hair (and do other things) that we have not been shown.
quote:
Originally posted by paazau (me)
the braid was needed for the cliff scene
Perhaps "needed" wasn't the right word there. Perhaps I should have said "was useful".
The Alice/Uncas love scene is in the original script but there again there isn't any specific mention of him braiding her hair. The braiding may have occurred and been filmed when they did the scene, and then when the love scene was cut, left her hair braided in the following scenes to indicate time has passed and things have occurred, and as it was useful to show her face better in the cliff scene.
It's all really just speculation, as the only one who knows why would be Michael Mann, and I can't see him answering our posts.
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| raindrops |
Posted - March 29 2006 : 2:08:39 PM
Hi paazau and everyone!
The thing is, when I read the original script, I didn't notice anything about Alice's braid in "Under the falls" scene. I don't think there is any mention of it anywhere else in the script, although I can't be sure because I haven't read all of it. But if there was any scene explainig the appearance of the braid in as a consequence of the storyline, it would be mentioned in the original script, wouldn't it? |
| paazau |
Posted - March 26 2006 : 7:31:22 PM
Hi raindrops 
It is an editing error of sorts, as we don't know why she now has one when she didn't before. (but they did the same with Uncas' injury - being tended by Cora in the surgey - and Cora calling Hawkey Mr Poe in the burial ground scene.) I think in one way it's just the director's way of letting us know something happened that we haven't been privy to.
Still it's fun to let our imagination run wild as to exactly HOW the braid was done. Was Alice in any frame of mind to actually sit down and put a braid in her own hair? I have to wonder..... she seems terribly fragile from the massacre-point onwards....
And, I agree, yes, the braid was needed for the cliff scene to show off her face and emotions more clearly.
Thanks for your thoughts!
Shaz |
| raindrops |
Posted - March 25 2006 : 8:45:05 PM
What is the chance of it being an editing error?
Or maybe the braid was needed for the cliff scene to show her face more clearly, when she shows the subtle emotions so beautifully. If the braid wasn't there, her hair might have covered her face when she turned to look down.
Just a suggestion. |
| paazau |
Posted - March 25 2006 : 3:58:00 PM
And the braid is not there in the canoe either. So where else is there time for one to appear??? With Uncas under the falls, that's where!!! Drat that Michael Mann for not putting the Alice/Uncas love scene in. Be still my beating heart.... a strong, silent gorgeous man that will watch out for you AND braid your hair. <sigh> 
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| MeggieD |
Posted - March 25 2006 : 08:29:59 AM
OK, just finished LOTM for the 8 thousandth time. Her hair is loose after that fort scene, so she does at some time between leaving the fort and ending up at the Huron village get a braid..... Has everyone noticed Uncas' braid that falls over his right shoulder at the Cameron's when he is over Alexandra's body. I think that's the only time I've seen it.... |
| MeggieD |
Posted - March 24 2006 : 5:14:30 PM
quote:
Originally posted by jlee
that's interesting... i've never thought about it like that... i've always thought it was just braided while her hair was up, so then when it came out, the braid was the only remnents left of what had been put up. I like your eplanation better, though!
I agree. I noticed when they get to the fort when she embraces her father they show her braid wound around on the back of her head...It's not as romantic as the theories of my fellow Uncas lovers, sorry girls.....Now his braid is just plain hot. |
| Light of the Moon |
Posted - March 07 2006 : 12:48:50 PM
[quote]Originally posted by qasimoto
No. Not at all. Nyet & nada. And the braid just looks like it appears magically. I'm surprised you didn't know about that!
Let me break it you gently. Some girls, when they're suddenly frightened, toss their heads a certain way, and voila! The Braid of Death appears, instantly, with no muss or fuss.
Some think this reaction started in the northeast of England when the Vikings started raiding them. Some of the girls discovered their ability to do this when frightened by the 7'-9" Vikings--especially when the Vikes had snuck upriver on them in fog--, and used it to good advantage, snapping their heads verily to and fro in squadron formation and whipping those braids around as lethal weapons at 900 mph, giving another Viking a mortal wound with each and every snap. Well, maybe they missed a few, but not many.
The Vikings, soon realizing they had been bested or beasted or something of the sort,
THE BRAID OF DEATH! That's it! I'm going to wear one everyday now and when a man gets mouthy - WHAP! That's that, no more fuss, no more muss! Thanks for the info! |
| qasimoto |
Posted - February 16 2006 : 11:27:59 PM
No. Not at all. Nyet & nada. And the braid just looks like it appears magically. I'm surprised you didn't know about that!
Let me break it you gently. Some girls, when they're suddenly frightened, toss their heads a certain way, and voila! The Braid of Death appears, instantly, with no muss or fuss.
Some think this reaction started in the northeast of England when the Vikings started raiding them. Some of the girls discovered their ability to do this when frightened by the 7'-9" Vikings--especially when the Vikes had snuck upriver on them in fog--, and used it to good advantage, snapping their heads verily to and fro in squadron formation and whipping those braids around as lethal weapons at 900 mph, giving another Viking a mortal wound with each and every snap. Well, maybe they missed a few, but not many.
The Vikings, soon realizing they had been bested or beasted or something of the sort, gave up England in short order, realized longer commutes are not always all bad, and started trading Scandinavian knicknacks in Italy for really good stuff, like pasta and other foodstuffs which the English never were very good with anyway. Had Scottish haggis, bubble & squeak, or steak & kidney pie lately? Probably not, unless you're Seamus. And then you'll not want to be asking "Kidney of what? No! Not really!" But I digress.
Anon, alas, the Italians tired of trading good ravioli for little carvings of guys with yellow hair and axes, made from dismantled old auto parts skids because we no longer need them, and so the Vikings all retired to Minnesota to found Minneapolis and play lousy football for yuppie fans with nothing better to do than watch. All much to the distress of truly guid people, like the beloved GB Packers.
And so endeth another one of Quasimoto's digressions.
Q
quote:
Originally posted by Irishgirl
Oh boy, Uncas could do more than braid my hair. I just thought it was a flaw in the movie. She had no braid in her hair and then on the cliffside it magically appears. When did she have time to braid her hair between the confrontation in the Indian Village and going to the cliffside. Me thinks maybe Magua did it he he.
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| Light of the Moon |
Posted - February 16 2006 : 12:00:10 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Irishgirl
Oh boy, Uncas could do more than braid my hair. I just thought it was a flaw in the movie. She had no braid in her hair and then on the cliffside it magically appears. When did she have time to braid her hair between the confrontation in the Indian Village and going to the cliffside. Me thinks maybe Magua did it he he.
The magically appearing braid and the magically appearing injury Uncas had at the fort. Daggonit, they always cut scenes and leave editing errors.
I remember catching sight of the braid as they were being led to Huron Land. |
| Lurking Huron0888 |
Posted - February 15 2006 : 08:23:26 AM
i think that this was a fantastic movie...the way alice's braid resembled the way she had always had love for Uncas was amazing...Alice's braid should be in a musuem...it was great, great book |
| qasimoto |
Posted - February 15 2006 : 03:14:18 AM
I don't think Dark Woods and I realized this forum existed, we were discussing Alice's braids in the forum "Why did Alice jump?"
For much more on Alice's braids, probably too much, including a calculation of Alice's braid's tensile strength (enough to hold a Panzer tank, for crying out loud) and useage of said braids for ARM's (Alice Retrieval Means) and recoil starters for her safety retrieval line, please see about the last third of that forum. Sure it's nuts, but we're engineers and that's our mission in life--to be nuts enough to design vehicles that no sane person would EVER go up in. But, every now and again, they do find a few. You may call them "Space Shuttles", we call them "Space Schleffels" and wonder why they don't just go out and buy a good Panzer or Tiger instead. And every time they do go up in those obsolete deathtraps for no really good reason at all, we hope that they have a safe return so "Nasa" doesn't have to again mean "Now Accepting Seven Applicants". But, I digress.
But, those braids apparently came about during an Uncas scene that was perhaps cut and so are hence just there after the cave scene. They look nice, she looks great in them, Dark Woods and I have joked about various engineering applications of them but we were just kidding, they are simply very nice braids on a very nice-looking young gal who unfortunately dies in the firm.
Q |
| Irishgirl |
Posted - February 14 2006 : 1:37:34 PM
Oh boy, Uncas could do more than braid my hair. I just thought it was a flaw in the movie. She had no braid in her hair and then on the cliffside it magically appears. When did she have time to braid her hair between the confrontation in the Indian Village and going to the cliffside. Me thinks maybe Magua did it he he. |
| Light of the Moon |
Posted - January 11 2006 : 11:40:21 AM
I don't know about the rest of ya' (actually I think I do) but Uncas can braid my hair anytime! |
| Stephanie |
Posted - January 10 2006 : 7:54:25 PM
I never thought of Uncas doing the braid, but after all, he's the one who made the "Tight weave" comment at the fort! |
| jlee |
Posted - January 10 2006 : 7:44:45 PM
that's interesting... i've never thought about it like that... i've always thought it was just braided while her hair was up, so then when it came out, the braid was the only remnents left of what had been put up. I like your eplanation better, though! |
| Dark Woods |
Posted - January 10 2006 : 2:44:07 PM
Thank you Lurking Huron for reminding me to visit the Jodhi May site. I note that in the "Other Bolyene Girl" she again plays the younger of a pair of sisters. I will always think first of Johi as Alice in LOTM.
Getting back to the braid, I agree with LOTM that Uncas may well have done it! |
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