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Lainey Posted - May 20 2003 : 02:30:25 AM
The aftermath of 9/11 ...


The world grows curioser & curioser. And, yes, I do feel a bit like Alice in Vunderland ... come to think of it - it's all about the 9/11 aftermath & the question of democracy. Why is there an uneasiness about the discussions regarding Mesopotamia & its seizure? Why has nationalism replaced patriotism? Why are democracies far more fragile than imagined & how many steps, either right or left, does it take to become fascist?

There's so much to be said about the state of the world, the fate of Iraq, the Lion's Den & its value, de Tocqueville's 'Democracy in America' & his 1830 observations, Pax Americana etcetera. There's even more to be asked. For now ...

"All truth passes through three stages. First it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed, and third, it is accepted as self-evident."

Arthur Schopenhauer

"The most dangerous man, to any government, is the man who is able to think things out for himself. Almost inevitably, he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane and intolerable."

H.L. Mencken

"When government fears the people it is democracy.
When the people fear government it is tyranny."


T. Jefferson


US Troops 'Vandalise'
Ancient City Of UR


By Ed Vulliamy
The Observer - UK
5-19-3

One of the greatest wonders of civilisation, and probably the world's most ancient structure - the Sumerian city of Ur in southern Iraq - has been vandalised by American soldiers and airmen, according to aid workers in the area.

They claim that US forces have spray-painted the remains with graffiti and stolen kiln-baked bricks made millennia ago. As a result, the US military has put the archaeological treasure, which dates back 6,000 years, off-limits to its own troops. Any violations will be punishable in military courts.

Land immediately adjacent to Ur has been chosen by the Pentagon for a sprawling airfield and military base. Access is highly selective, screened and subject to military escorts, which - even if agreed - need to be arranged days or weeks in advance and carefully skirt the areas of reported damage.

There has been no official response to the allegations of vandalism - reported to The Observer by aid workers and one concerned US officer.

Ur is believed by many to be the birthplace of the prophet Abraham. It was the religious seat of the civilisation of Sumer at the dawn of the line of dynasties which ruled Mesopotamia starting about 4000 BC. Long before the rise of the Egyptian, Greek or Roman empires, it was here that the wheel was invented and the first mathematical system developed. Here, the first poetry was written, notably the epic Gilganesh, a classic of ancient literature.

The most prominent monument is the best preserved ziggurat - stepped pyramid - in the Arab world, initially built by the Sumerians around 4000 BC and restored by Nebuchadnezzar II in the sixth century BC.

The Pentagon has elected to build its massive and potentially permanent base right alongside the site, so that the view from the peak of the ziggurat - more or less unchanged for 6,000 years - will be radically altered.

Each hour, long convoys of trucks heave gravel and building materials through checkpoints and the barbed wire perimeter extends daily.

There are reports that walls have been damaged by spray-painted graffiti, mostly patriotic or other slogans, and regimental mottos. One graffiti reads: 'SEMPER FE' - Always Faithful - the motto of the Marines, who stormed through this region on their way to Baghdad, and form a contingent at the base.

Other reports by groups who cannot be named for fear of los
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Lainey Posted - June 02 2003 : 02:30:10 AM
"In the beginning of a change,
the patriot is a scarce and brave man, hated and scorned.
When his cause succeeds however,
the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot."
- Mark Twain


Let's see ... where were we? Oh yeah. Scott was trying to break my rhythym by heckling loud yawns of a reformed leftie. Rich is trying to get officially registered as an historic hippie relic. (Abbie Hoffmann? Blah!) And Mary's eyes have been violated by the cruelest of visions. Will she ever again crush the opposition without wearing cool shades?

Meanwhile, back in Vunderland ...

quote:
Seattlepi.com OPINION

Friday, May 30, 2003

Lights, camera, rescue
By STEVE LUDWIG
GUEST COLUMNIST

Contentious at its inception, confusing in its execution and devastating in its effect, the invasion of Iraq reeked of impending disaster. Iraqis resisted, sandstorms slowed the advance, "smart" weapons hit markets and residences and U.S. soldiers were taken prisoner. An impending humanitarian crisis loomed, as Basra and later Baghdad were deprived of water and electricity.

Then the miracle occurred. The damsel-in-distress was rescued (Pvt. Jessica Lynch) and the evil tyrant was pulled down and beheaded while joyous Iraqis celebrated (Saddam Hussein's statue at Baghdad's Firdos Square). It was a feel-good ending to an otherwise disturbing script.

The press raved: "This story is 'Mission: Impossible,' but it's real" ... (an NBC official commenting on the Lynch rescue in reference to a possible made-for-TV movie on the affair). "After Saddam's tumble, Americans could finally gaze enthusiastically at their TV screens," (Post-Intelligencer columnist Joe Copeland).

We do want to feel good, to believe that we are good. We want to be seen as virtuous liberators, not conquerors. Yet these two signature stories from the invasion of Iraq are, in fact, too good to be true.

Shortly after the world was wowed by TV coverage of the toppling of Saddam's statue, doubts were raised. A Reuters photo of the square was circulated showing a much smaller crowd than the close-up TV footage implied. Eyewitness accounts belied the news coverage of a "jubilant" crowd: " ... it happened at only about 300 meters from where I was, and it was a very small crowd. The rest of the square was almost empty, and when we inquired as to where the crowd came from, it was from Saddam City (a poor neighborhood some distance away). In other words, it was a rent-a-crowd" (Rev. Neville Watson, interviewed on SBS-TV, Australia).

British columnist Robert Fisk, writing from Baghdad on April 11 for The Independent, described the statue episode as " ... the most staged photo opportunity since Iwo Jima." And this from David Robie, senior lecturer at Auckland University of Technology: "I watched BBC World in the lead-up to the toppling. The square was largely empty except for three strategically positioned U.S. Abrams tanks and an armored personnel carrier plus a small paltry crowd of 100 or so, many of then apparently journalists. A BBC World news presenter kept asking, 'Where is everybody?' "

As for Jessica Lynch, her "heroic" rescue seems also to have been a sham staged for the media. "It was like a Hollywood film. They cried 'Go, go, go,' with guns and blanks and the sound of explosions. They made a show -- an action movie like Sylvester Stallone or Jackie Chan, with jumping and shouting, breaking down doors," said Iraqi Dr. Anmar Uday when interviewed by the BBC. Apparently the hospital staff even tried to deliver Lynch to the Americans prior to her "rescue," but their ambulance was repelled by gunfire from a U.S. checkpoint (available from the BBC online and reported in the May 17 P-I).

Truth and objectivity suffered other blows in this conflict but if these two "
Doc M Posted - June 01 2003 : 2:48:37 PM
You mean they're....*GASP!!!!* FREEDOM-kissing??????
Ugh! There's an image that will take me days to remove
from my eyeballs!

Doc M
richfed Posted - June 01 2003 : 1:27:45 PM
Well I remember Bobby, Scott! Back in my left-wing days I had a poster dedicated to the Chicago 7 hanging on my wall. Great book, too, The Tales of Hoffman - the Judge, not Abbie [a man I still admire, even after all this time & his death, by the way ], though the latter was certainly featured subject matter. Somewhere, out in the workshop, in a dusty old box, is that book. A great read ...

Anyway, why does it all even matter? As we speak Bush & Chirac are engaged in an [oral] love-fest.

Come to the next Gathering, Scott ... I'll bring the book!
Scott Bubar Posted - June 01 2003 : 11:34:25 AM
Um. Bobby Seale. It's all coming back to me now. I was in New Haven.
Lainey Posted - June 01 2003 : 01:52:53 AM
What a great forum this is! I think I'll keep it ...

quote:
US Intel 'Simply Wrong' on Chemical Attack-General

By Charles Aldinger

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. intelligence was "simply wrong" in leading military
commanders to believe their troops were likely to be attacked with chemical weapons in
the Iraq war, the top U.S. Marine general there said on Friday.

But Lt. Gen. James Conway said in a teleconference with reporters at the Pentagon that it
was too early to say whether the United States also was wrong in charging that Iraq had
chemical and biological arms when the invasion began 2-1/2 months ago.

"We were simply wrong," he said of the assessment that chemical shells or other weapons
were ready in southern Iraq and likely to be used against invaders by deposed Iraqi
President Saddam Hussein's forces.

"Whether or not we are wrong at the national level I think still very much remains to be
seen. ... 'Intelligence failure,' I think, is still too strong a word to use at this point," added
the commander of the 1st Marine Expeditionary Force who was speaking from Hilla, 62
miles south of Baghdad.

U.S. forces have been scouring Iraq -- thus far unsuccessfully -- for chemical and
biological weapons. The United States cited the need to rid Iraq of such weapons of mass
destruction as a key reason for the war.

Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and other Bush administration officials have
expressed confidence that such arms will be found, although Rumsfeld this week conceded
that Iraq may have decided to destroy them ahead of the invasion.

Conway said he was convinced when U.S. and British troops swept into Iraq from Kuwait
that they would come under chemical or biological attack before they reached Baghdad.

But such shells have not been found even in ammunition storage sites, he told reporters.

"It was a surprise to me then. It remains a surprise to me now that we have not uncovered
weapons ... in some of the forward dispersal sites," said Conway.

"Believe me, it's not for lack of trying. We've been through virtually every ammunition
supply site between the Kuwaiti border and Baghdad. But they're simply not there."

U.S. and British troops carried chemical masks and protective outfits into Iraq during the
invasion and donned them frequently early in the war in anticipation of possible attack.

"What the regime was intending to do ... in terms of its use of weapons we thought we
understood," the general said.

"We certainly had our best guess -- our most dangerous, our most likely courses of action
-- that the intelligence folks were giving us."


Of course they were wrong. And they were wrong about weapons
of mass destruction. And they were wrong about Iraqi links to Al Qaeda. And they were wrong about "liberation." And they were wrong about UN resolutions. And they were wrong about manufactured democracy. And wrong about 9/11. And about the "mob looting" of
Iraq's ancient national treasures. Wrong about the world class Republican Guard. And even, we now discover, wrong about the "rescue" of Jessica Lynch. But they were never wrong by mistake and THAT'S what the American people had better wake up to.
What will it take to get Americans even willing to debate the rights & wrongs of what we've done? When will Americans recover from their shock induced stupor enough to consider, reflect, & question? What will it take for enough individuals to stand up
for American democracy, reject the illicit concepts of pre-emptive war & omnipotent federal powers, hear out the 'dissidents' of America before condemning them, & declare they will no longer permit the men & women of the American Armed Forces to be mercenaries for Halliburton, oil, OR Israe
Ilse Posted - May 30 2003 : 5:28:12 PM
A round up of my newspaper:

Wolfowitz says (in an interview with Vanity Fair) the attack on Iraq had "other reasons" than weapons of mass destruction. Quote: "The truth is that we, out of bureaucratic reasons, have chosen a matter that everybody agreed on, weapons of mass destruction, as the most important reason for an attack on Iraq."

Meanwhile in London, Blair is heading for heavy weather. British parliament and intellegence agencies are greatly concerned about Downing Street possibly "pumping up" reports on incriminating evidence against Iraq. The WMD argument was critical for getting parliamentary support for Blair. I'm sure he's not very happy with Wolfowitz right now

Oh, and tonight Bush visits Cracow, Poland. However, the mayor of Cracow, Majchrowski, is not welcome to the party. Apparently he wrote a critical article in the Gazeta Krakowska on the American actions in Iraq titled "Pax Americana". So the Americans suggested the mayor should stay out of sight. The Polish administration complied.
Doc M Posted - May 30 2003 : 4:01:10 PM
Good old Huey! On one of the long-ago Vietnam War protest
marches I participated in, one of the more radical students
interrupted the chants of "All we are saying,is give peace
a chance" to begin yelling "Free Bobby Seale! Free Bobby
Seale!" There was a brief moment of puzzled silence, and
then from hundreds of throats came the chant of "Who's
Bobby Seale?? Who's Bobby Seale??" Ah, the good ole days!

Thanks for all this, Lainey -- as usual, you've provided me with
a lot of reading material. O brave new world, that has such
people in't, indeed. The Patriot Act has even affected the
library world -- many of us are outraged that now the
government can get the records of anything you check out
from a public library -- information that, unless there was
a warrant or a court order, has always been sacrosanct.
Some brave libraries are defying the government and routinely
shredding their circulation records, but they are few and
far between. And as usual, very little discussion or debate
in the news or anywhere else. What will it take for the
American people to stop filling their brains with crap and
their faces with Cheetos and begin to sputter,"Hey! Just a
cotton-pickin' minute here!!"

And what now in Wonderland??? A stern warning to Iran to
shape up? Deja vu all over again, anybody?

Doc M
Lainey Posted - May 22 2003 : 9:00:51 PM


Oh, don't go getting all melodramatic now, Scott. I didn't say nothing 'bout Huey.
Scott Bubar Posted - May 22 2003 : 7:16:11 PM
The old military-industrial complex.

Gosh, that takes me back!

Mario Savio, SDS, building takeovers, Free Huey.

The smell of tear-gas in the morning ...

I'm feeling all nostalgic.
Lainey Posted - May 22 2003 : 09:19:06 AM
A Free Press? Embedding & Seduction

Television newsrooms turned into parade grounds for generals, while veterans opposed to the war were relegated to C-SPAN.
By Colman McCarthy
The Washington Post, April 19, 2003

Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff have been unhappy with the criticism of their war effort by former military men appearing on television. So am I, but for a different reason. The top people at the Pentagon are wondering why these ex-military talkers can't follow the company line on how well the war has been fought.

I'm wondering why these spokesmen for militarism are on TV in the first place.

Here's a list: Lt. Gen. Bernard Trainor, Maj. Gen. Robert Scales, Lt. Gen. Gregory Newbold, Maj. Gen. Don Shepperd, Gen. Barry McCaffrey, Maj. Gen. Paul Vallely, Lt. Gen. Don Edwards, Lt. Gen. Thomas McInerney, Col. Tony Koren, Lt. Col. Rick Francona, Maj. Jack Stradley and Capt. Chris Lohman.

Did I miss anyone? All have been offering analysis and commentary on the war in Iraq.

That the news divisions of NBC, ABC, CBS, CNN and Fox sanctioned this domination by military types was a further assault on what the public deserves: independent, balanced and impartial journalism. The tube turned into a parade ground for military men -- all well-groomed white males -- saluting the ethic that war is rational, that bombing and shooting are the way to win peace, and that their uniformed pals in Iraq were there to free people, not slaughter them. Perspective vanished, as if caught in a sandstorm of hype and war-whooping. If the U.S. military embedded journalists to report the war from Iraq, journalists back in network studios embedded militarists to explain it. Either way, it was one-version news.

Why no dissenting voices to say what millions of people around the world proclaimed in the streets: that this U.S. invasion was illegal, unjust and unnecessary? Why were pacifists from such groups as the Fellowship of Reconciliation, Pax Christi USA, Peace Action and the American Friends Service Committee not given airtime to counter the generals? Why were leaders from Veterans for Common Sense or Veterans Against the War in Iraq not brought in to offer their analysis and view: that what the Bush-Cheney-Rumsfeld-Powell-Wolfowitz war machine has been doing to the people of Iraq is brutal and criminal and that political, legal and moral alternatives to violence exist? Why have no social workers or teachers from America's inner cities been invited to sit across from the generals and give their views on military spending -- more than $11,000 a second? In wartime, presumably, the message to peace activists is shut up or shut down.

Not entirely, though. C-SPAN, as always, let the cameras roll on the widest range of voices. It has televised news programs from the Middle East, Asia and Europe and taken phone calls from anyone patient enough to wait for an open line. C-SPAN offers the left wing, the right wing and the whole bird.

It was on C-SPAN, not the networks, that a three-hour antiwar forum was aired on March 22 in which the director of Veterans for Peace said that hours after Congress endorsed a resolution to support the troops in Iraq it proposed cutting $25 billion from health, education and disability programs for veterans.

In their cordial hosting of military men, the corporate networks provide still one more revolving door for the ex-brass to stride through. Viewers are not told of possible conflicts of interest -- that this general or that one is on the payroll of this or that military contractor. Nor are they given information on whether the retired generals are paid for their appearances.

If the stateside studios are dominated by militarists, coverage from Iraq also offered mostly the military perspective. Whether it was celebrity news people such as Ted Koppel or Brian Williams roughing it by donning helmets, gas masks and goggles, or Geraldo Rivera gushi

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