Re: Bighorn battle should not be on this list!

Posted by Crazy Horse on May 11, 2000 at 09:56:25:

In Reply to: Re: Bighorn battle should not be on this list! posted by Crazy Horse on May 09, 2000 at 09:47:23:

Oh, and I thought this might help, considering it has been said fifty million times over that the Indians were killing each other off with a vengence anyway before the whites ever even entered the picture.
It might help to focus things a bit.

KILLING CUSTER, pg. 46

By the time the whites invaded the northern plains in force in the 1850's and 1860's, the general consensus of opinion in America was that the Indians should be driven off these lands permanently. Some in the Congress, in the government, and in the army echoed the cries of those on the frontier that if the Indians did not relinquish their land peacefully and move to ever-shrinking reservations, then genocide should be considered a reasonable option.

*"Annihilation" was a word used frequently by the whites of that period. "Nits make lice" was a common phrase. For those who think "annihilation" is to strong a word, consider that it has been estimated that there were 75 million Indians in the Americas, perhaps six million in the contiguous United States area, when Columbus arrived. By 1900, only 237,000 Indians in the United States remained.*

: On taking Dwayne's advice Don and MK, for starters, get ahold of Russell Mean's "Where White Men Fear to Tread", and Peter Matthiessen's "In the Spirit of Crazy Horse" (sure have always loved that title!), as far as future books. These will certainly enlighten you on the many truths about our American Indian--past and present.
: You might like to try Dee Brown's "Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee" also.
: Of course some people (like the above) would perhaps discourage these books, but thats because sometimes the TRUTH HURTS.

: Hok a hey!
: Good luck my friends.

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: : MK:

: : You like Don from Erie, PA obviously have no clue or appreciation for history on its terms. As Christ said to Peter - You judge me by Man's Standards not God's. Likewise you set yourself up as judge and in this case as executioner of Custer when you judge him by 20th Century Standards and not the ones the lived with.
: : The Civil War was a war to preserve the Union - not to free slaves - Proclamation of 1863 was a political move by Lincoln to keep England out of the war - it worked! The Alamo was a battle between landgrubbers from the North versus the wishes of Mexico to maintain its own sovereignty rights - regardless - they lost.
: : As I told Don - the American Indian that we have come to know and kiss ass to is the 3rd wave of "Indians" the latter driving out and killing off the former. We were just one more people to arrive and do basically nothing more or less that what had been done already by the "Noble Savage"
: : When you pick up a book in the future -try reading it.

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: Oh, and I thought this might help, considering it has been said fifty million times over that the Indians were killing each other off with a vengence anyway before the whites ever even entered the picture.  
: It might help to focus things a bit.

: KILLING CUSTER, pg. 46

: By the time the whites invaded the northern plains in force in the 1850's and 1860's, the general consensus of opinion in America was that the Indians should be driven off these lands permanently. Some in the Congress, in the government, and in the army echoed the cries of those on the frontier that if the Indians did not relinquish their land peacefully and move to ever-shrinking reservations, then genocide should be considered a reasonable option.
:   
: *"Annihilation" was a word used frequently by the whites of that period. "Nits make lice" was a common phrase.  For those who think "annihilation" is to strong a word, consider that it has been estimated that there were 75 million Indians in the Americas, perhaps six million in the contiguous United States area, when Columbus arrived.  By 1900, only 237,000 Indians in the United States remained.*






: : On taking Dwayne's advice Don and MK, for starters, get ahold of Russell Mean's "Where White Men Fear to Tread", and Peter Matthiessen's "In the Spirit of Crazy Horse" (sure have always loved that title!), as far as future books.  These will certainly enlighten you on the many truths about our American Indian--past and present. 
: : You might like to try Dee Brown's "Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee" also. 
: : Of course some people (like the above) would perhaps discourage these books, but thats because sometimes the TRUTH HURTS. 

: : Hok a hey!
: : Good luck my friends.     

: 
: : 
: :  
: : : MK:

: : : You like Don from Erie, PA obviously have no clue or appreciation for history on its terms. As Christ said to Peter - You judge me by Man's Standards not God's. Likewise you set yourself up as judge and in this case as executioner of Custer when you judge him by 20th Century Standards and not the ones the lived with.
: : : The Civil War was a war to preserve the Union - not to free slaves - Proclamation of 1863 was a political move by Lincoln to keep England out of the war - it worked! The Alamo was a battle between landgrubbers from the North versus the wishes of Mexico to maintain its own sovereignty rights - regardless - they lost.
: : : As I told Don - the American Indian that we have come to know and kiss ass to is the 3rd wave of "Indians" the latter driving out and killing off the former. We were just one more people to arrive and do basically nothing more or less that what had been done already by the "Noble Savage"
: : : When you pick up a book in the future -try reading it. 



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